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To: Krowbar who wrote (26491)	12/5/1998 1:04:00 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

I like discrimination- I WANT the right to discriminate. There are people I do NOT want to associate with- I take this is an indication that other people probably feel the same way. The free association clause of our constitution means just that- we have the right to associate with whom we want and the right NOT to associate. There was a man in time magazine pictured holding a sign- after that gay beating- and it said something along the lines of "Freedom means the right to hate." Now taken to its extreme that IS what freedom means. We all have the right to form private organizations, churches etc- that have membership criteria acceptable to the organization members. If you wish to force people to only form organizations to whom "everyone" is allowed to join that isn't very free- now is it? That is just another kind of tyranny. As for setting a bad example- it is my personal belief that we all lie, socially, on the job, and everywhere else. It is a natural instinct and in my opinion not a bad thing when used in moderation. As for courage- it is only useful when it will save your ass. I am, as I said before and have said many times, a deviant, libertarian, utilitarian relativist - I believe in nothing. But I see no point in challenging people in the real world who cling to beliefs- unless I think those beliefs will do harm to me or my children.

To: Krowbar who wrote (26491)	12/5/1998 7:14:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Delbert, <<My post was filled with facts not opinion. BSA was chartered by Congress in 1916. There was no religious test until 1970. It enjoys public sponsorship and uses public facilities. Public schools and teachers are used for recruiting. Those are facts, not opinions.>> The scouts just like America was founded on christians principles by christians for christians. You lose sight of the fact that just about EVERYONE believed in God back then. They didn't put it in their charter because it was assumed that christian principles were always to be a part of the scouts, just like we assume there will be air to breath tomorrow. It would be very hard to believe for a person in 1916 that the world would be so different today. Putting things in their charter was only to insure the scouts would stay as it always has been because it was being attacked by the God haters like everything else. Bob