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To: Krowbar who wrote (26526)	12/6/1998 9:27:00 AM
From: James R. Barrett	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

>>"I choose to do whatever it takes to confound them. For instance, when there is a public function where a prayer is said before the meal, I sit down during the prayer and begin to eat. If that sounds rude, I think that it is more rude for someone to impose their prayer on others, and assume that everyone wants to participate. It is supposed to be totally voluntary, so it shouldn't bother anybody, but you wouldn't know it from the ugly stares that I get."<< Del, I get the same "stares" whenever I light up a cigarette in a "smoke free" shopping mall. You and I have a lot in common although I know you will never admit it. Jim

To: Krowbar who wrote (26526)	12/6/1998 9:45:00 AM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Del, Is it better to be with the militant anti-God forces or to show consideration for others in their beliefs you don't agree with. You are advocating behavior that is no better than the christian children's who tormented E. Bob

To: Krowbar who wrote (26526)	12/6/1998 12:42:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I do not agree with confounding people on their own turf. It is my opinion that majorities do have certain rights over minorities. I think for society to flow smoothly we need a tyranny of the majority- since too many minority groups eventually splinter a society to the point where it is no longer cohesive. In accord with my thinking that certain social customs and consideration are the glue that holds society together I choose to go along- for the most part. The boy scouts are not, in my opinion, being cruel. They have every right to set standards for their organization. I do not believe they encourage their scouts to taunt individuals who do not profess agreement with those standards. They merely wish to control the belief structure of their organization- I think AA does the same thing- you have to admit to a higher power to be in AA. The AA folks aren't being "cruel" they just think you NEED that higher power. Now as I believe in the ubermench, I don't think everyone needs a higher power, but I am NOT going to argue with people who have made up organizations CATERING to higher power love. Why? I do not feel insecure in my own non-beliefs, why challenge them? It won't make them believe differently- in fact it often has the opposite result of making people more hostile and defensive. Making people hostile and defensive on the net can be fun, if one is in the right mood, but face to face it is the kind of testosterone trip I am not into. I leave you with this- I hate cats but I don't go around rubbing every cat's fur the wrong way. Same thing applies to people. I probably disagree with 98% of 'em- but why would I go around arguing with them? Unless I enjoyed pissing people off I wouldn't. So I don't.

To: Krowbar who wrote (26526)	12/6/1998 5:39:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<< when there is a public function where a prayer is said before the meal, I sit down during the prayer and begin to eat. >> You have courage. That sort of stand is hard to take. But you know, there is something I like about the saying of grace. I mean the counting-your-blessings, consciously, aspect. I don't like addressing it to a purported God, though, because if S/He is responsible for one's own good fortune, (which if one thanks Him/Her one presumably believes,) as one sits down before a laden table, it follows that S/He is responsible to for ill fortune of those who will die of starvation in a gutter while one dines. Bob, would you mind if that were pointed out during the morning period set aside for inculcating religious notions to the students in public schools? If you're okay with that, I'm okay with a twenty minute Open Religious Forum with Rotating Presider in the public schools, and I'll start preparing my sermons as soon as you give the word.