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To: Gerald R. Lampton who wrote (21973)	12/8/1998 3:54:00 AM
From: Charles Hughes	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

>>> Hayek's importance is in the fact that his views represent a restatement for the Twentieth Century of Eighteenth and Nineteenth Century classical liberalism. ..... So Hayek is restating, but also updating, the tenants of classical liberalism to take account of, among other things, the rise of socialism in all of its manifestations. <<< With friends like this, liberalism needs no enemies. Pity they started giving the Nobel to economists. I knew it could lead to no good. I know about Marx, I know about Hubert Humphrey, and believe me, Hubert was no Karl Marx. ;-) >>> Furthermore, the ideas that Hayek articulates about law, about the market, and about freedom, are not some "objectivist" view invented by Ayn Rand. Rather, I suspect it's the other way around. <<< He'd have to be pretty old. She's dead. >>> Eighteenth and Nineteenth Century classical liberalism <<< Hmmm. Who in the Eighteenth century was being called a 'Liberal' rather than a whig or whatever? Really. I don't know about this. Is this construction built on dotted lines in some taxonomy of Hayek's? >>> modern socialistic concepts of planning and regulation <<<< This is so far off. Geez, it's amazing how far off. All of that came out of French military style beaurocracy. That and the English Naval department. You need to read the biography of Pepys, who invented a lot of it. His claim to fame. (Unless you want to go back to the Medici, the Romans, the ancient Chinese, and so on, who at times were aggressive economic planners.) Predated the socialists, most of it. Except the scientific management movement of the 1920's, which came out of business and was adopted by government again, as the wheel turned. As part of this train of thought the 'company towns' were invented, where entire communities were run in every detail by the companies that employed the townspeople and built the town. Absolutely totalitarian. Most of them built well before socialism really transmogrified into what we all came to hate in the twentieth century. The original socialists were agricultural communards like the kibbutzim. And you won't find a word in Marx about more regulations or central planning. Lenin borrowed all that crap from the West. Cheers, Chaz