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To: Nick Kline who wrote (22053)	12/9/1998 12:57:00 AM
From: Pink Minion	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

I am so totally against a standard bar exam for programming. It's only use will be to limit people coming into programming Yes, and anybody who can compile "Hello world" can get a job programming. I agree with the limiting motive especially for doctors, but there has to be some minimum level of skills. More than half of all software projects are failures. Guess why that is? Billions and billions are spent on maintenance and unused software that alot can be avoided. I crack up when I hear the reason for the Y2K problem was the saving of storage space back in the 60's. Tell that to Microsoft. Mr. B

To: Nick Kline who wrote (22053)	12/9/1998 3:17:00 AM
From: Charles Hughes	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

<<I am so totally against a standard bar exam for programming. It's only use will be to limit people coming into programming, so that salaries can remain high.>> Salaries are high now, for some people who are good and some who are incompetent. Actually, take a look at the MDs. They still have the boards to take, and yet the salaries have plummeted. Why? Because the government stepped in to take measures against the medical schools for anticompetitive behaviour. That opened the rolls to more people who wanted to practice medicine, and the supply increased. But the point is to weed out those who can't do before they do serious damage, and to discipline the schools who 'train' anyone in the field who can pony up tuition. If 80% of one of the bad school's grads fail the bar that problem will self-correct. Let them train as many people as want the job and have a chance of understanding the material well enough to pass the bar. And give the bar to any practitioner who wants to take it, irrespective of schooling. There is no reason to give the schools some kind of monopoly here. The test, with orals administered by peers and verified work product to be reviewed by the proctors, should be the final measure. Wouldn't it be worth it if just one less plane crashed or was shot down because of computer error? Cheers, Chaz