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To: Ilaine who wrote (26733)12/9/1998 1:20:00 AM
From: Jacques Chitte  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Cobalt, I'll admit I don't see how it follows. Does existence vs. nonexistence have a causal relationship to whether or not the universe needs an architect?
Obviously (and that is a relative term) nonexistence cannot contemplate itself. Existence can contemplate itself. We exist, and we stare at our navels - sometimes in groups like this :-D
But does it follow that existence mustcontemplate itself?
I'd like to think that the universe could exist without spectators or even a creator. But - there is a certain self-effacement to willingly removing myself from the model. Is this it, or are you thinking something different?

I sound like coug, except more syllables :-D



To: Ilaine who wrote (26733)12/9/1998 9:23:00 PM
From: E  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
<...but it seems to me that the concept of existence has the necessary implication of the concept of nonexistence.>

It's true about concepts, which are mind-events, that if the mind can conceive plusness of anything, it can conceive minusness of it, too.

That's not the same as the statement, "If the matter of which the universe consists exists, then it also doesn't exist or didn't exist."

I think that's what Lather Rinse Repeat was saying, too.



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