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To: Curtis E. Bemis who wrote (2505)	12/9/1998 2:28:00 AM
From: Frank A. Coluccio	Respond to of 12823

>>You never commented on the Gilder snippet. Don't you believe him any more ?? << That's a curious question, Curtis. And you're not reading my replies very carefully, I take it, cuz I did comment on George's snippet and lumped his conclusions in with the others. In fact I went on to discuss at some length about what I thought of such extrapolations, given Pareto factors and the other governing variables. BTW, If you think that I've been in agreement with all that George G. has stated on all counts, then you missed some good earlier posts in the GG ASAP thread. OTOH, I do follow his works as closely as I can from a distance, and find much that I am in agreement with. Be that as it may... >>One of the the things that you will not find in any public place are the EXACT numbers you ask for, so you can develop your own business plan. (Just carrying this to an extreme for emphasis). The ISPs consider the information business sensitive just like they consider the peering arrangements business sensitive << It's a wonder, then, that we have any numbers to work with, wouldn't you say? Without such corroboration, as you state, my points up until now would hold more weight, I would think. You're making a fibber out of me, since I just said Good Night to RocketMan and All. Thanks again for the materials, which I'll review when I can pry my eyes open later in the week. The one thing I did notice on the surface before they shut tight [I'm typing by ear now] was Vint Cerf's comment about 400% annual growth, which is more than just a tad short of the 1200% or so we've been discussing here. Good nite, Curt.

To: Curtis E. Bemis who wrote (2505)	12/9/1998 9:13:00 AM
From: Frank A. Coluccio	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 12823

Curtis and All, Just making my morning rounds before going off to retreat for a couple of days. The ESnet stats from the DOE [uplink from here] are impressive. Is the ESnet profile a part of the Public Internet that we're counting in our little bean contest? If so, I should like to include a number of community of interest [closed user group] extranets whose role it is to provide image archiving and retrieval services for the financial community, along with some other models, who are using ISP facilities. I would then begin to challenge the 100 day numbers from the other direction, possibly. We never did adequately lay down the ground rules here. Curious. Later, and Best Regards, Frank Coluccio