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To: lml who wrote (2538)12/11/1998 1:43:00 AM
From: Bernard Levy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12823
 
lml:

May be others on this thread know the topic better
than I do, but one paper which I found quite informative on
the general status of copper loops in the US is the paper
by JJ Werner, ''The HDSL environment,'' in IEEE J. Selected
Areas in Communications in Aug. 91. Even though it addresses
HDSL, it paints a picture of the status of copper loops
which suggests that only about 60% are ready for DSL. Werner
used a Bellcore database generated from surveys taken in the
1970s if I remember correctly. There is also fairly good
information in the recent book ''DSL: Simulation Techniques
and Standards Development for Digital Subscriber Line
Systems, by Walter Chen (MacMillan Technology Series),
another Bellcore alumnus (now at Motorola). Both of the
above references are addressed to EEs (not a general audience).

Concerning your question regarding extending the fiber to
the DLC, it is only a matter of time. It is the only solution
that makes sense in the long run, as ADSL will be replaced by
VDSL, as homes will need a diversified array of video and
data services. At that point, I expect that the fiber + VDSL
architecture might well be extremely competitive with (perhaps
superior to?) the HFC architecture deployed by cable
companies (superiority would stem from the dedicated nature
of a twisted pair, by opposition with the shared and perhaps
soon crowded cable environment, and I am not even discussing
powering issues).

Best regards,

Bernard Levy



To: lml who wrote (2538)12/11/1998 11:01:00 AM
From: Kenneth E. Phillipps  Respond to of 12823
 
Bell Canada, with the help of Nortel's 1 Meg Modem, is heavily promotoing splitterless DSL in large cities of Canada and Cisco and Lucent appear to getting concerned. This is a copy of a post by Stephen Temple from the VoIP thread about ISPs in Canada screaming about BCE using monopoly power to promote splitterless DSL with Nortel 1 Meg Modem. Lucent has recently increased the size of its Ontario Office and Cisco is working a Canadian cable company. If DSL, with the 1 Meg modem is successful in Canada, will it be adopted in the U.S.?

SPs Protest Bell's Latest High-Speed Promotion

December 11, 1998

TORONTO, Dec. 10 /CNW/Internet Direct announced
today that it plans to seek regulatory relief
against Bell Canada's latest high-speed
Internet access promotion known as the "1
Mg Modem", "Splitterless ADSL" or "ADSL
Lite", and is calling for other Internet service
providers to do the same.

Bell's service is being rolled out to many
parts of Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec
City and Hull by its Sympatico affiliate. While
Bell's promotional material indicates that
"Residential Splitterless ADSL Access service
is available on a wholesale basis to Internet
Service Providers (ISP's) that want to offer
high-speed Internet access to consumers,"
independent ISPs say that they have
received no such notification from Bell.

"Bell has said to me that their ISP customers
are a high priority, but we have outstanding
complaints before the CRTC and Competition
Bureau over a lack of equitable access to
ADSL," says John Nemanic, president of
Internet Direct. "If Bell was acting in good
faith, they would have notified us before
announcing this promotion, and would give us
a firm date for a reasonably- priced
splitterless ADSL product, instead of putting
us off until next year. Once again, Bell
Canada appears to be leveraging its historical
monopoly privileges and ongoing bottlenecks
to squeeze competition out of the high-
speed access Internet market."

In August, six Ontario ISPs filed an
application with the Competition Bureau
requesting an inquiry into the pricing
practices that Bell Sygma Inc. uses in
connection with its high-speed Internet
access services. At the time, the ISPs
charged that Bell Sygma has attempted to
drive small innovative companies out of the
market by pricing ADSL services well below
cost. This latest promotion lowers Bell's
high-speed price significantly, further raising
concerns in the independent ISP industry.

"Bell is abusing its dominant position in the
Internet marketplace, and appears to be
using its regulated monopoly to prop up an
unprofitable affiliate," Nemanic claims. "We
can buy the components for this service
today -- at a cost of over $200 per
customer per month. Bell is well aware that
there is no way for us to compete with their
current pricing scheme, a fact that makes a
mockery of their claims to be offering this
service to third- party ISPs."

"Canadian phone companies face two
options, open up voluntarily by participating
in round table discussions with Internet
providers, or face a new round of regulatory
hearings," said David Colville, vice-chair of
the CRTC, in a recent interview in the
Financial Post (Saturday December 5th).

"In light of these comment by Mr. Colville,
Bell's action, in our view, demonstrates
contempt for the CRTC, the ISPs and for the
people of Canada. " says Nemanic. "I
welcome input, advice and comment from
other ISPs who may wish to join us in
protesting Bell's actions."

[Copyright 1998, Canada Newswire]

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To: lml who wrote (2538)12/11/1998 3:02:00 PM
From: Stephen B. Temple  Respond to of 12823
 
Something I failed to mention, which IMO will (in private conversations, the Covad's and Northpoint of DSL) be an enormous problem. This is one reason why I'm staying away from companies investing all their capital in DSL, and that is, the source of all the problems.

In each case I have read, and the few calls I have made to mags, dsl distributors, its the ILECs that will cause unhappiness to those that enter DSL Copper.

Its the end customer that will not tolerate anything near what the Cable Subscribers have in recent events.

Call someone from Covad Comm. or Northpoint Comm, or someother CLEC that's involved in DSL. I think you'll find a real problem from the source (if they talk at all).
The source is the most obvious evildoer after reviewing the Tele-Act of 96, why there's not enough money in LD for them to give up their turf, how Kennard is coming down on them, and after all of that, the how's and why's to keep intruders off your turf.

I see it as a real problem not letting up anytime soon. PacBell may be the worst of the bunch from what I've read.

Thanks for the return remarks, all !

Temp'

USISPA, Major Communications Companies & Trade Associations Urge FCC to
Reject ILEC and Computer Companies Proposal

December 11, 1998

HERNDON, Va., Dec. 10 /PRNewswire/This ex parte on behalf of the US Internet
Service Providers Alliance and major communications companies and trade associations
was filed today at the Federal Communications
Commission:

The Honorable William E. Kennard

Chairman

Federal Communications Commission

1919 M Street, N.W., Room 814

Washington, DC 20554

Re: CC Docket No. 98-147

Dear Mr. Kennard:

This ex parte letter is submitted by the undersigned competitive
telecommunications and information service companies and
associations in response to the joint filing submitted in the
above-referenced proceeding on December 7, 1998 by the
largest incumbent local exchange carriers (four of the five
Regional Bell Operating Companies ("RBOCs") and GTE), and
certain computer companies. We urge the Commission to reject
this proposal as the latest attempt to undermine the statutory
mandates and pro-competitive promise of The
Telecommunications Act of 1996 ("1996 Act"), and extend the
RBOCs and GTE's local bottleneck to Internet services.

In essence, the proponents' ex parte letter argues that the
largest ILECs require a wholesale waiver of key elements of the
1996 Act in order to have the necessary economic incentives to
deploy high-speed broadband Internet access technologies such
as Digital Subscriber Line ("DSL"). The largest ILECs offer four
"concessions," each subject to various technical, economic, and
timing limitations: (1) CLECs can utilize collocation for advanced
services (common cage, virtual, physical, or cageless, of the
ILEC's choosing); (2) CLECs can utilize DSL-capable loops as
unbundled network element ("UNEs"); (3) the ILECs' integrated
provision of DSL services are subject to existing nonstructural
safeguards; and (4) the ILECs' advanced services offerings will
not discriminate against unaffiliated ISPs.

In exchange for these "concessions," the RBOCs and GTE would
receive significant relief from applicable legal requirements,
including: (1) no provision of DSL electronics as UNEs; (2) no
resale of DSL services at any discount; (3) unlimited transfer of
ILEC assets, employees, and services accounts to separate
affiliates for up to 12 months; (4) no significant separation
requirements; (5) deregulation and detariffing of advanced
services rates once half of residential lines have access to DSL
services; and (6) granting the RBOCs liberal waivers of
interLATA boundaries for data services.

On its face, this proposal is a sham. On legal grounds, this
proposal blatantly violates the Act. By "promising" to abide by
existing nonstructural safeguards and Computer III
nondiscrimination requirements, and to grant competitors
access to unbundled loops and collocation rights already
required by the 1996 Act, the RBOCs and GTE give up nothing.
Instead, however, the largest ILECs gain a "get out of jail free"
card from the most critical pro- competitive mandates of the
Act. This hardly seems like a fair bargain, especially for
consumers, who will be denied choice, innovation, reasonable
prices, and the other tangible benefits of competition.

Furthermore, the large ILECs' "lack of incentives" argument is
baseless. The Commission itself has assembled an ample public
record proving the futility of these claims. First, the supposed
difficulties of providing advanced services such as DSL do not
involve building brand-new data networks; instead, existing
copper loops and telephone plant are being utilized along with
DSLAMs and end user modems. This new equipment is relatively
inexpensive and certainly can be deployed by the RBOCs and
GTE on a timely basis to most ILEC central offices under existing
rules. The competitive deployment of DSL service is not
hindered by equipment costs or network upgrades, but rather
the fundamental inability of CLECs to obtain reasonable
cost-based access to the ILECs' equipment and facilities. The
large ILECs also ignore the fact that CLECs must fully
compensate the ILECs for the right to utilize DSL-equipped
loops, DSL electronics, collocation space, and interoffice
facilities. Moreover, contrary to their rhetoric, the RBOCs and
GTE already are deploying DSL in response to the perceived
competitive threat from cable modems.

More importantly, the proposal clearly violates the 1996 Act. As
the FCC has already correctly concluded this past August:

Section 251(c)(3) requires these ILECs to provide CLECs with
unbundled network elements, including DSL-capable loops and
accompanying operational support systems ("OSS"), as well as
all facilities and equipment used to provide advanced services
(such as DSLAMs);

Section 251(c)(4) requires these ILECs to offer advanced
services such as DSL for resale at wholesale rates;

Section 251(c)(6) requires these ILECs to provide competitors
with just, reasonable, and nondiscriminatory access to
collocation space in order to provide advanced services.

Section 271 prohibits the RBOCs from providing
telecommunications or information services across LATA
boundaries without meeting the requirements of Sections 271
and 272 of the Act.

Private parties cannot overturn these provisions of the law.

It is the free market, and not government, that creates
incentives for companies to invest in and deploy new
technologies and services. It is the market, and not
government, that rewards risk. But where there is not a free
market, and instead only a monopoly market like the large ILECs
have today, government must do what it can to curb that
monopoly and maximize the conditions for competition.

In many respects, this proposal is the complete opposite of
what the Internet itself represents: openness, innovation,
competition, and freedom of choice. Perhaps this explains why,
even though these RBOCs and GTE and their allies claim to
speak on behalf of Internet providers and Internet users,
neither of these constituencies is present at the signature line.
It is disappointing that these computer companies have joined
the RBOCs and GTE in their proposal. How ironic it is that their
proposal to "solve" this "problem " does not even include those
it purports to serve -- there are no consumer groups, no user
groups, no competitive local exchange carriers, and no Internet
service providers.

In the view of the undersigned, the key problem facing
American consumers is not, as these companies claim, the
pro-competitive mandates of the 1996 Act, but rather their
continuing refusal to abide by those mandates. The only
problem here is the large ILECs' local loop bottleneck, and no
amount of deal- making, no matter how big the players, can
change that reality. The only way to rid American consumers of
that bottleneck and offer all the benefits and services backed
up and waiting behind that last mile, is, plain and simple, to
enforce the 1996 Act.

In accordance with the Commission's ex parte rules, two copies
of this letter will be submitted today to the Commission's
Secretary's office.

Sincerely,
UNITED STATES INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS ALLIANCE




To: lml who wrote (2538)12/11/1998 4:32:00 PM
From: WTC  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12823
 
<Is it possible to situate a DSLAM at the DLC box rather than the CO? Is it gonna take the extension of a fiber-optic cable to the DLC to DSL deliverable over the longest loop distances?>

Yes, that is exactly the preferred engineering response to your situation. In general, a very large percentage of DLC at 40+ kf from the serving CO is already fiber fed. I obviously can't speak to your particular situation, but if it is still a copper AMI repeatered line, there are economic incentives (cheaper growth, lower maintenance expenses, etc.) for eventually transitioning from copper to a fiber feed, probably when the DLC is upgraded.

There is a lot of prime demographic in areas like you describe: a good density of prime candidates for high value, high bandwidth services that are unservable by the installed transport technology. The good news is probably that your situation is fairly common, so it is getting serious attention from vendors and the ILECs. The bad news, from a response standpoint, is that you are probably not considered the low-hanging fruit that will be build to first. But you can be confident that situations like yours will not be ignored by the ILECs. How close you are to becoming lowish hanging fruit might be based on whether you are fiber vs. copper fed DLC today. You are right, that is a big obstacle to overcome, if there are easier needs to meet out there that make the quota for the engineers.



To: lml who wrote (2538)12/12/1998 11:43:00 PM
From: ftth  Respond to of 12823
 
Hi lml, I thought I had a breakdown of the "over 18,000 feet" group. but I can't seem to find it. If I come across it I'll post it.

dh