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To: Borzou Daragahi who wrote (18666)	12/11/1998 11:09:00 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

You are lacking perspective. You are hung up on a lowly congressman when the most powerful man in the world is running amok.

To: Borzou Daragahi who wrote (18666)	12/11/1998 11:28:00 PM
From: Les H	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

2-star general faces adultery charges Retired Maj. Gen. David Hale is accused of having affairs with other officers' wives and lying about it. By Richard Parker INQUIRER WASHINGTON BUREAU phillynews.com WASHINGTON -- The Army took the unusual step yesterday of ordering a retired two-star general to the equivalent of a grand jury proceeding for allegedly having affairs with the wives of four fellow officers and then lying about it. Retired Maj. Gen. David Hale was charged with 17 violations of military law, ranging from adultery to obstruction of justice. He is only the second top-ranking officer to face possible criminal action for adultery. Some observers say the move may be the beginning of the military's efforts to deal as harshly with top officers for adultery as with more junior personnel. For years, many in and outside the military have complained of a double standard: Generals get away with things that lieutenants and sergeants do not. "I can congratulate the Army on turning the tide in [ this ] case," said Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney (D., N.Y.), a normally fierce critic of the military's handling of adultery. She said she hoped that future cases, including those involving senior officers, "will continue to take a higher priority." Hale, a former senior officer at a NATO base in Turkey, is accused of having improper relationships with the wives of three subordinate officers from 1996 to 1998 and of an affair with a senior officer's wife from 1994 to 1997. He also is accused of lying to investigators, engaging in conduct unbecoming of an officer, and obstructing justice. If a hearing determines that there is sufficient evidence, Hale could face court-martial. Although retired, he could still face punishment such as loss of retirement pay or possibly jail time under military law. Hale's military lawyer at Fort Gordon, Ga., did not return a call seeking comment. The case marks the second time in two weeks that the services have cracked down publicly on adultery among leaders. In Norfolk, Va., this month, Rear Adm. John Scudi pleaded no contest to charges of adultery and improperly steering military contracts to a lover. Scudi will lose much of his retirement pay and spend 30 days under house arrest. Until recently, the military had been plagued with charges of unfairness in its treatment of adultery cases. The Air Force prosecuted six high-profile adultery cases involving junior officers in the last three years, including First Lt. Kelly Flinn, who also was charged with lying. But when Gen. Joseph Ralston was found to have had an extramarital affair years earlier, he was not prosecuted. He did, however, lose his bid to become chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "The military is increasingly sensitive to the perception" of favoritism, said David Schleuter, a military law expert at St. Mary's University Law School in Texas. He said prosecutors and commanders take many things into account in deciding whether to prosecute someone for adultery or any other violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, enacted in the early 1950s. A former Army lawyer, Schleuter said that previous disciplinary trouble, the gravity of the crime, and, most important, its effect on morale were important variables. The charges against Hale reflect concern on the part of the Army commander in charge of the investigation that affairs with wives of fellow officers could disrupt discipline. Defense officials generally declined to comment on the Hale case. Gen. Dennis Reimer, the Army chief of staff, said only that he stood by his initial decision to allow Hale to retire in February even though he was under investigation. Reimer said he made the decision based on what he knew then.

To: Borzou Daragahi who wrote (18666)	12/12/1998 8:26:00 AM
From: lazarre	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 67261

Scanning the headlines of the posts on this board I noticed a headline that had the name Barf referenced. Why was it that before I clicked into the whole context where this name Barf appeared, I knew who you were referring to? BTW, this debacle will go into the House and die there. The Prez will recapture some stature in the middle of 99. His influence will be diminished but not to the extent the Repubs would like. His place in history will be a unique one, needless to say. But the abiding ID for Clinton will be his resiliency and ability to govern and govern well in spite of an 8 year orchestrated assault on himself and administration. The fact that he screwed around, well, that will be just an interesting and amusing footnote to history. The fact that he lied about it will be met with a collective:DUH, as it is now. And some will scratch there heads and ask how was this freakin' guy able to do it all with the large degree of equanimity and grace he continuously displays. Amazing. The RWing's rep. for being sanctimonious hypocrites with very little soul and alot of venom will simply be reinforced once again. Lazarre

To: Borzou Daragahi who wrote (18666)	12/12/1998 12:26:00 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 67261

"Licking whipped cream off the breasts of a buxom woman". You libs are all hung up on this sex issue. JLA

To: Borzou Daragahi who wrote (18666)	12/14/1998 12:06:00 PM
From: RJC2006	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<<< We can't find out what Barf spoke about during the conference because he won't answer any questions about it. >>> Smart man. <<<nor will your hero discuss the photographs of himself licking whipped cream off the breasts of a "buxom" woman at a 1992 fundraising party.>>> Only you would need a discussion concerning this. <<<nor will pro-family Barf discuss his two divorces.>>> (rolling eyes). Too funny. Now the liberals are making divorce an issue. Sheez...you guys pioneered the field and now you want to discuss it. <<<Since you're so concerned that his good name has been defamed, suggest you call Barf up and ask him about it.>>> Because quite frankly I could care less. Sorry pal, but I see right through your little disguise. By the way, Shirley Temple never wore her dresses that short. All this fine rhetoric is just another slimey attempt to attack anyone who would dare call Bill "I slipped her a Hoya" Clinton from facing the music. Nice try but I'm not buying it.