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To: Paul Senior who wrote (5418)12/14/1998 9:45:00 PM
From: Freedom Fighter  Respond to of 78747
 
Paul,

>>Similar with VVTV which I bought last year as a value stock (and it
still may be), but profitably sold a couple of weeks ago as VVTV got
pulled up in the internet craze. For me, I seem to do better when I just sell since my ruling reason for buying was that it was a value stock.When I start thinking they're now growth stocks, I succumb to holding and I seem to lose out.<<

I realize that most investors consider value investing and growth investing to be separate disciplines, but I don't think they really are. They are joined at the hip. Future probable growth is a significant factor in determining intrinsic value. If two companies have identical book values, ROE, EPS, management, balance sheets etc... yet one has a greater opportunity to reinvest capital, it is more valuable. The trick is to value the growth component of its prospects. There are all sorts of approaches to this. I think it is worth the effort to try to do so. Even Graham would agree with this. He just discouraged pie in the sky valuations. Buffett on the other hand has done a great job of identifying companies whose growth is almost certain and long lasting and therefore extremely valuable. Compound interest/growth at high rates over long periods gets one rich. Especially if it is purchased at a bargain and you get to participate in multiple expansion also as it reaches fair value. Cheap but lousy companies often work out poorly because even a CD grows at the rate of reinvested interest. You must be able to grow or if the revaluation occurs slowly the investment will be poor. Don't you agree?

Wayne Crimi
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To: Paul Senior who wrote (5418)12/17/1998 6:31:00 PM
From: Andrew  Respond to of 78747
 
agree with you about time and inevitable irr issue if one were to do what most value players do- wait. you said it yourself "patience". However, an active hands-on outspoken investment approach, (I call it "value activist" approach) can enhance irr enormously by bringing the catalyst to the table, being the catalyst or aiding the company in enhancing its roe and roa. it more fun investing this way too.