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To: Krowbar who wrote (27003)	12/15/1998 12:41:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Respond to of 108807

Del, Would you object to a player kneeling out of consideration for the other players who are taking the prayer seriously just not to cause a fuss? I think it is probably more important to the parent than the kids most of the time. The kid's seem to think, let them pray, who cares. That's their attitude. It's the parent's who are into wild eyed hysterics. I know you're going to come back with a what if scenario. What if the quarterback and 9 of the players did not want to pray. Then the ones who still did want to could and the rest of the kid's would say, do ahead, who cares, and wait patiently for them to finish. And the atheist parent's would say, isn't that awful! They're holding up the game! You can't be blaming Clinton's misconduct on the republicans? Not that I give a flip about republicans. My attitude is, they're politicians, who cares!!!! Fry them all!!!! Bob

To: Krowbar who wrote (27003)	12/15/1998 10:48:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>>>>>I think that is the same ultra right wing Christian wrong that has been trying to undo the election of Clinton from day 1.<<<<< Del, it's not just them that don't want Clinton. You know that.

To: Krowbar who wrote (27003)	12/16/1998 5:48:00 AM
From: nihil	Respond to of 108807

re: atheist coaches in Texas Come on! I don't know any atheists dumb enough to coach in Texas. The amazing thing is that the losing teams keep praying despite the futility of it. When you win, people shout and cheer, and when you lose, dogs bite you and little children throw stones at you in the street. If you don't call on God in a situation like that, you are just suicidal.

To: Krowbar who wrote (27003)	12/16/1998 11:43:00 AM
From: E	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Interesting about the enforced football prayers. It won't make a dent in Bob S's conviction that unless Christianity is rampant, reigning, in the public school,Christians are being persecuted. It doesn't prove anything to him, to him everyone is still against the Christians in school, the atheists should be polite and bow their heads, the "norm" should be praying, out loud, in the classroom, in the hall, in the cafeteria, in the gym, on the field; and to hell with the atheists, let them lower their heads in respect. It's only polite of them. They don't mind, only their parents do. Yes, the atheist children can continue to do that, Bob, continue to do what they have been doing for a long, long time, forced by people like you. Take it from me. i still have a crick in my neck, i bowed it so often in mortified, undignified, forced prayer in my public school. You think it was un-Christians who tormented me. I consider the forced prayers, day in and day out, to have been as harmful a torment as having handfuls of my hair pulled out by child Christians or Mrs Ellis telling my sister and me we were going to burn in hell because we didn't go to Sunday school. I consider you as dangerous to the emotional health and the happiness of the atheist children who attend the public schools as I do those who torment them with shouts and stones and threats of burning for a long time in a fire that's under the ground. And in any case, with the Christian regimen you propose, the non-praying children will be readily identifiable, thusly resulting in their extra curricular additional torment. Hey, I have an idea! The public schools could be for everybody, and... get this!-- there could be special schools for special religions, in which the sponsoring religion could be favored! I can't believe I'm the first one to have thought of this great idea! It solves everything! Wait! I thought of another idea, I'm a veritable font of original ideas today! -- the children who want to pray in school can do it in the public school, sitting quietly and praying, each to his or her own God! they can pray silently as they walk the halls until the cows come home. And then they can do audible prayers wherever there isn't a literally captive audience, from morning to night! Also!-- Since Jesus advocated solitary, non-public prayer, this idea of mine actually brings these show-off, noisy, disobedient Christians more closely into Jesus's fold! I'm on a roll!