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To: joe who wrote (9176)	12/15/1998 7:06:00 PM
From: alydar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 19080

Oracle 1. Wall Street thinks that the new products ORCL are introducing have some merit and have driven the price of the stock to almost an all time high. 2. I love it when ORCL "innovates" a new concept and the MSFT people come out of the woodwork to blast the feasibility of the concept. Obviously, SUN thinks the idea is worthwhile and CPQ, HWP and DELL are considering employing the concept. The only thing that is holding them back is MSFT. They cannot take the leap without assurrance of success. If the "idea" is not successful or MSFT attempts to destroy the concept then the other hardware Mfg's will back down. Keep on bashing the concept. It means that you are worried about a paradigm shift that MSFT has no space in. Bring it on. JMO, The original Ideaman.

To: joe who wrote (9176)	12/15/1998 9:28:00 PM
From: Hardly B. Solipsist	Respond to of 19080

>>If it's just running something like 8i, the Unix community >> probably won't care (what is a Unix community, anyway), since >> they bought the box to do what it's doing.<< >One thing that's puzzling to me is, if Ellison wants a NON-NT >Operating System, he already has one with the Unix Operating >System. So why does he want an Oracle OS? I guess he thinks >this will reduce costs, and just wants a non-OS machine? >A non-OS machine is kind of like a non-CPU machine, it's >nonsense. Maybe to you, but not to those of us that can read and understand what's been written about it. And given the MSFT party-line that the O/S is every damned thing they can cram into it, it's increasingly easy to have a non-O/S machine that does a lot. But just so you will have seen it here, the idea is to take just enough of O/S to run the database and associated applications, bum it for the performance of those things, and sell a machine with the bundled software. It isn't nonsense, although it remains to be seen if it will sell. MSFT apparently thinks it will, since they have been working with Dell to do exactly the same thing with NT and SQL/Server. >> If the cost/benefit is there, they'd use an appliance (they'd use >> a Maytag for that matter).<< >I wonder about issues like upgradeablity. Does one just dump >the whole thing in the trash can, when there's a serious upgrade >needed? That's doesn't seem like cutting costs as much. What I don't know, but I don't suppose that the people at Oracle are too stupid to understand this question. If you have an appliance, the upgrades would be much simpler to do since what you had where on the machine would be completely understood even before the upgrade CD was put in. >about maintainability? A new OS will be only serviceable by >the geeks at Oracle and Sun. Nice move. One of those things As opposed to an MSFT O/S that isn't serviceable by anyone? >other equipment? I don't trust anything that says it doesn't >interoperate with other equipment. Let's get real, the whole You seem to be a big fan of MSFT, and their stuff doesn't interoperate for shit. If they can get away with it, they'll even deprecate SMB. They wouldn't support the Internet protocols if they could avoid it. >computer industry is full of other equipment. It doesn't make >sense for an enterprise to be "fully" dependent on one >seller. Even if all equipment is compatible in-house, it still >needs to communicate with tons of outside equipment. Oracle 8i talks standard protocols. If you weren't an MSFT employee, I'd suggest that you read about it before you post stuff like this, but I think that I'll just ignore your posts in the future.