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To: Jim S who wrote (17452)12/16/1998 8:24:00 PM
From: Zeev Hed  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 18056
 
Jim, here we might end up in a "Talmudic" deliberation of what the "Founding Fathers" intentions were. A document that was signed by some 400 (if memory serves) historians and constitutional experts claimed that "other" indeed means of the caliber or importance as the high crimes actually outlined. But because they left that question open (and not being familiar with all the "federalist" papers on this subject, I do not know why they left this definition so vague), it is up to the house. My problem is that the house once before decided that a crime involving (possibly) lying relative to income tax statements (your signature on the 1040 is an oath) did not rise to an impeachable offense, even if it was proven to have been the case, I would have come to the conclusion that (if indeed BC perjured himself, which I still maintain the known facts to me leave room to say he did not) a perjury in a private civil lawsuit, while definitely indictable and prosecutable in a normal court of law (after the close of his term) does not rise to the level of an "impeachable offense".

I think we should make clear one very simple fact, elected officials in most countries (at the time of the writing of the constitution and today as well) have immunity from normal prosecution for some crimes. For instance, diplomats have that immunity as well. An elected body can always remove this immunity if it finds the specific case to justify it. The reason for this immunity, is to prevent harassing indictments from intervening with political oppositions. The impeachment process, in my limited understanding set aside all crimes that are not impeachable for possible post service prosecution to allow the President to operate without the fear of repercussions of this kind (since anyone can sue anyone in our country, including Tippet for my having offended him with my convoluted logic). By lowering the bar on impeachable offenses, I believe we are seriously weakening the office of the President, and that is my reason for being against it, not any sympathy for a horny president having an itch behind his zipper and possibly no means within his marital framework to find ways to relieve this itch. I apologize for being so "graphic" and should have prefaced this by "not suitable for youngsters under 18."

Zeev



To: Jim S who wrote (17452)12/17/1998 9:06:00 AM
From: Enigma  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 18056
 
Jim S "In fact, the term is intended to include an extremely broad range of activities, so broad that only the House of Reps can decide whether those activities do, in fact, fit the term"

Precisely - but your logic breaks down when all the votes are strictly on party lines - as opposed to Watergate where there was a non-partisan consensus to impeach. We're seeing here a sort of coup d'etat - especially sickening when you consider that 6 of the defeated congressmen (defeated no doubt partially by anti-impeachment sentiment) will cast their last vote against Clinton - and the slimy Newt will do his last slimy act too.

You write about some utopian world that doesn't exist in the muck of Capitol Hill. E