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To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (33064)	12/17/1998 8:14:00 PM
From: gmccon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 95453

George, and thread, don't you feel that Israel would probably nuke Sadam if we (primarily the US) pulled out? Remember when the US abstained in the security council after Israel took out the nuclear reactor in Iraq (late 80's I believe)? It appears to me that US tax payers are preventing a nuclear attack by Israel, by way of $billions in conventional ordinance. I still say that bombing a desert with $billions of US dollars is ridiculous. And aren't the pictures of blown up military barracks worth every cent?! We are being played like a fiddle. Clinton is milking it. Bush and Carter are wrong. Give me 20 US Navy Seals and a $billion and I'll get the SOB. When I'm finished, it'll look like Kurds done it. We're not getting out of this mess without ground troops going in.

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (33064)	12/18/1998 1:33:00 AM
From: Douglas V. Fant	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

George, You'll get the terrorist attacks regardless of whether we attack Iraq or no- the USA's mere existence negatives literally everything the Middle Eastern radicals stand for....By definition they have to attack us. We already have lots of strong allies amongst the Arabs and just to the north in Central Asia- we do not need another pro-American regime in the Middle East. Yes, I agree that Pres. Clinton may be trying to deflect some attention from himself. And be careful getting sucked into stereotyping Iraq or the Middle East too. The Middle East is as rich and varied as the western World- and contains just as many political opinons right/left pro/con as the West. Also there are substantial non-Moslem religious minorities in the Middle East. For example the Foreign Minister of Iraq Tarik Asiz- is a Christian. So is Nizar Hamdoon Iraqi Ambassdor to the US. Saddam's oldest son Uday is also reputed to have accepted Jesus Christ and converted from Islam to Christianity of late. Also amongst the Muslim majority in the Middle East, a whole lot of them would like to see Saddam gone. For example do you see Iraq's neighbors the Turks, Syrians, Kuwaitis, Saudis, Abu Dhabians, rallying to Saddam's cause? His mere presence is distorting governmental spending priorities (defense) when declining oil revenues are pinching governmental coffers. And that includes many Iraqis too. Just before the Gulf War in 1991 major Iraqi Government members approached a certain energy company and gave their executives sensitive information about Iraq's defense/capacity/weaponry posture which was turned over to the US Government. So a whole lot of Iraqis would like to see Saddam gone too.... And as for nuclear proliferation- it is bad no matter who develops the weapons for whatever reason.. Finally we are attacking a very determined foe who will hit back. Make no mistake about that. And as to attacking the "weak sisters" in the World- we defeated Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in the 20th Century. So we can defeat another form of fascism, God willing..... Sincerely, Doug F.