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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (23241)	12/20/1998 3:11:00 PM
From: Harvey Allen	Respond to of 67261

>No one gets out of here alive. Dan- It's so sad it's funny. At least one good thing has come out of all this. For the first time in the history of the Republic everyone knows the name of their Congressman and many could pick them out of a line up. 435 Ensign Pulvers meet their captains. Harvey P.S. Soon, 100 Senators. 33 of which have the timeframe of a congressman.

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (23241)	12/20/1998 3:17:00 PM
From: TigerPaw	Respond to of 67261

On Livingston Livingston's mistake was not stepping up to the role of Speaker as soon as he was the heir apparent. When it was clear that Newt was going off to sulk, Livingston should have acted as if he were officially Speaker, kicked some butt, made some deals, and do the rest of the things a Speaker must do make the House work. Instead he showed himself to be unsure, he wanted to duck out until he had a (perhaps) more reasonable body to work with. Chaos reigned such that when he tried to take a roll it was too late. TP

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (23241)	12/20/1998 5:46:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Ship of Fools nytimes.com Nobody got out of that one alive, did they? This is Maureen Dowd weighing in on yesterday's spectacle. It has gotten to the point where drastic action may be necessary. You know those movies about Ebola virus outbreaks, where the guys in sterile suits come in, seal off the area and completely irradiate it? They may have to do that to Washington. Just eradicate us and start from scratch. In a few, short days we have managed to make the terms "surreal," "bizarre," "split-screen America," "shocking," "runaway train" and "politics of personal destruction" useless clichés. Moving on, we get a point of view that might strike very closed to home here. Then again, it might not. Partisan hatred seems to be one of these things that can be recognized only on the other side of the aisle. I'll repeat my personal view on Livingston, he shouldn't have resigned. But in the government by lobbyists currently in force, I'm sure he'll do fine monetarily outside of (the elected) government. How his little act of political hygiene is supposed to clean anything up is beyond me, though. Why are the Republicans so obsessed, when everyone in his right mind agrees that impeachment is an outlandishly over-the-top punishment for Mr. Clinton and a self-destructive course for the country? Because they genuinely hate the President. They think he's a dishonest, immoral, issue-stealing, selfish child of the 60's. They don't think they're going to pay a political price for this, and if they do, they don't care. It might be a great time to see a lot of combovers, but it's not a great time to see a lot of stature. The House debate was not history. It was just a more hideous version of "The McLaughlin Group." While Republicans tried to draw the distinction that Mr. Clinton had perjured himself, they ignored that the President had been lured by the Starr-Jones attorney team into testifying on Monica Lewinsky. Ordinarily one would feel sorry for Mr. Livingston. But the Republicans have brought this sexual doomsday machine on themselves by focusing sosingle-mindedly on Mr. Clinton's sex life. The Republicans were so determined to do their high-tech lynching that they engaged in wacky role reversals. Many Republican hawks argued that Bill Clinton should not be bombing Saddam, claiming the timing was suspicious, even though they had hammered him for not bombing five weeks ago. In an incredibly unseemly display, Trent Lott, the majority leader, and former Bush national security adviser Brent Scowcroft and Bush Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger chimed in on the attack. There's too much hate here. And I hate it. I've gotten sort of acclimated myself. "Christian clarity", versus the obsolete values of Christian charity, and all that. 'Tis the season. HoHoHo.