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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Michael Sphar who wrote (9633)	12/21/1998 11:10:00 AM
From: dfloydr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

<<Bill Clinton is no great leader and to stand in support of him as if he were is no great gesture.>> Amen. Look at the useless trips with hoards of political friends to China and Russia this past year alone during which nothing was achieved. And who is taking bets that the Wye River Accords will hold. So far Netanyahu looks like he will loose a vote of confidence today. Good going Clinton. Well ... he did manage to outspend Starr with each of those trips .. to accomplish zip.

To: Michael Sphar who wrote (9633)	12/21/1998 4:54:00 PM
From: Liatris Spicata	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

Michael- <<The suffering in Iraq caused by sanctions have not been effective in the original goal ...>> I dunno that's true. I think the major rationale for the sanctions was to deny Iraq the means to develop WMD that threaten its neighbors. In that, I submit, it has been largely successful. Saddam has been kept in a box this decade. My libertarian side sympathizes with John Adams' declaration that "Americans are the friends of liberty everywhere, but stewards of only their own." However, in today's more interconnected and dangerous world, a brutal dictator like Saddam suggests to me that a threat to liberty anywhere is a threat to liberty everywhere. <<Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died during the interim millions of others have suffered deeply. We cannot lay this at the feet of Saddam Heussein with clear conscience.>> I'm not sure where you get your figures from, but agreed there has been suffering in Iraq since the Gulf War. I believe the UN administered food and medicine programs have greatly alleviated the suffering, but inevitably some people will "fall through the cracks". But I don't think you can entirely exonerate the people of Iraq, who have been quite willing to follow a "strong man" who makes their ersatz nation "stand tall". There is something appealing in that to Arab culture, and I don't think blaming Uncle Sam for the situation is warranted. Finally, bear in mind that Clinton inherited a Saddam whom we decided not to oust from power when it was readily within our ability to do so. George Bush has said, in retrospect, it was a wrong decision to not march on Baghdad: Bush gambled the Iraqis would oust Saddam, and he lost. Of course, Clinton has shown no initiative, only recently having agreed to try to help Iraqis oust their brutal dictator. Regards, Larry