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To: Rose Rose who wrote (506)	12/22/1998 2:52:00 AM
From: Catfish	Respond to of 2390

Rose, Obviously, you prefer ignorance as well as socialism that is represented by the Socialist Democratic party. This is your Democratic Socialist party. Does this make you proud??? You can click on the links, and check them out for yourself. This is copied from the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) website. Notice that they call themselves progressives. Also, notice the congressional membership. dsausa.org The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International (also in Francais and Espanol). DSA's members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly socialist presence in American communities and politics. At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. We are activists committed not only to extending political democracy but to demanding democratic empowerment in the economy, in gender relations, and in culture. Democracy is not simply one of our political values but our means of restructuring society. Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives. We call this vision democratic socialism - a vision of a more free, democratic and humane society. In this web site you can find out about DSA, its politics, structure and program. DSA's political perspective is called Where We Stand. It says, in part, We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms to achieve equitable distribution of resources,meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships. To forge a new American politics DSA has launched the Campaign for Economic Justice. The Campaign for Economic Justice has three central tenets: economic justice and security require first, that corporations and the wealthy pay their fair share, and second, that every American deserves a living wage and benefits for the work s/he does; all Americans - men and women of all races, ages, sexual orientations and beliefs - must receive just and adequate rewards for their work; Americans must work with others around the world to ensure that everyone receives a living wage and to guarantee that corporations do not exploit people or the planet. We invite you to support the campaign by adding your name to the list of signers of the Pledge for Economic Justice. In conjunction with the Campaign DSA is working with the Congressional Progressive Caucus, a network of more than 50 progressive members of the US House of Representatives. DSA has a Youth Section. Made up of students from colleges and high schools and young people in the work force, the Youth Section works on economic justice and democracy and prison justice projects. It is a member of the Interantional Union of Socialist Youth, an affiliate of the Socialist International. The Youth Section meets several times during the year. More information is available from the Youth Section staff person Kevin Pranis. To advance the cause of socialism, DSA has established the Center for Democratic Values. The Center for Democratic Values is a network of intellectuals committed to bringing progressive ideas on society, the economy, and government into mainstream discussions. CDV produces letters to the editor, op-eds, pamphlets, and books. This web site also includes an extensive set of resources, including bibliographies, pamphlets and links to information on socialism and US politics in general. We have also added a site index to help you find your way to the information you want. Please join DSA as we work to help build a better and more just world for all. dsausa.org Executive Commitee Rep Bernard Sanders (VT-AL), Chair 2202 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4115, Fax: 202-225-6790 bsanders@hr.house.gov Rep Cynthia A. McKinney (GA-04), Co-Chair 124 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-1605, Fax: 202-226-0691 Rep Peter A. DeFazio (OR-04), Co-Chair 2134 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6416, Fax: 202-225-0373 pdefazio@hr.house.gov Rep Maurice Hinchey (NY-26), Co-Chair 2431 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6335, Fax: 202-226-0774 hinchey@mail.house.gov Rep Major Owens (NY-11), Co-Chair 2305 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6231, Fax: 202-226-0112 Rep Nydia M. Velazquez (NY-12) 1221 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2361, Fax: 202-226-0327 Rep Lane Evans (IL-17) 2335 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5905, Fax: 202-225-5396 Rep Maxine Waters (CA-35) 2344 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2201, Fax: 202-225-7854 Staff Coordinator Bill Goold 202-225-4115 213 Cannon H.O.B. Washington D.C. 20515 dsausa.org other members: Rep Earl Hilliard (AL-07) 1314 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2665, Fax: 202-226-0772 Rep Eni Faleomavaega (AS-AL) 2422 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8577, Fax: 202-225-8757 Rep Ed Pastor (AZ-02) 2465 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4065, Fax: 202-225-1655 edpastor@mail.house.gov aspin.asu.edu Rep Lynn C Woolsey (CA-06) 439 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0529 Phone: 202-225-5161, Fax: 202-225-5163woolsey@mail.house.gov house.gov Rep George Miller (CA-07) 2205 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2095, Fax: 202-225-5609 gmiller@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Nancy Pelosi (CA-08) 2457 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4965, Fax: 202-225-8259 sfnancy@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Fortney "Pete" Stark (CA-13) 239 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5065, Fax: 202-226-3805 petemail@hr.house.gov Rep Henry A. Waxman (CA-29) 2204 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3976, Fax: 202-225-4099 house.gov Rep Xavier Becerra (CA-30) 1119 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0530 Phone: 202-225-6235, Fax: 202-225-2202 Rep Julian C. Dixon (CA-32) 2252 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0532 Phone: 202-225-7084, Fax: 202-225-4091 Rep Esteban Edward Torres (CA-34) 2269 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0534 Phone: 202-225-5256, Fax: 202-225-9711 arcoiris@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Maxine Waters (CA-35) 2344 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2201, Fax: 202-225-7854 Rep George E. Brown (CA-42) 2300 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6161, Fax: 202-225-8671 talk2geb@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Bob Filner (CA-50) 330 Cannon House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3461, Fax: 202-226-4169 Rep Diane DeGette (CO-01) 1404 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4431, Fax: 202-225-5657 Rep Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC-AL) 1424 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8050, Fax: 202-225-3002 house.gov Rep Corrine Brown (FL-03) 1610 Longworth House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 225-0123, Fax: 202-225-2256 Rep Carrie P. Meek (FL-17) 401 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0917 Phone: 202-225-4506, Fax: 202-226-0777 house.gov Rep Alcee L. Hastings (FL-23) 1039 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-1313, Fax: 202-226-0690 hastings@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Cynthia A. McKinney (GA-04) 124 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-1605, Fax: 202-226-0691 house.gov Rep John Lewis (GA-05) 229 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-1005 Phone: 202-225-3801, Fax: 202-225-0351 Rep Neil Abercrombie (HI-01) 1233 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2726, Fax: 202-225-4580 neil@abercrombie.house.gov house.gov Rep Patsy Mink (HI-02) 2135 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0917 Phone: 202-225-4906, Fax: 202-225-4987 Rep Jesse Jackson (IL-02) 313 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-0773, Fax: 202-225-0899 Rep Luis Gutierrez (IL-04) 408 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8203, Fax: 202-225-7810 luisg@mail.house.gov Rep Danny Davis (IL-07) 1218 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5006, Fax: 202-225-5641 Rep Lane Evans (IL-17) 2335 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5905, Fax: 202-225-5396 Rep Julia Carson (IN-10) 1541 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4011, Fax: 202-226-4093 jcarson@indy.net Rep John Olver (MA-01) 1027 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5335, Fax: 202-226-1224 olver@mail.house.gov Rep Jim McGovern (MA-03) 512 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5759, Fax: 202-225-6101 james.mcgovern@mail.house.gov Rep Barney Frank (MA-04) 2210 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5931, Fax: 202-225-0182 house.gov Rep John Tierney (MA-06) 120 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8020, Fax: 202-225-5915 Rep David Bonior (MI-10) 2207 Rayburn House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2106, Fax: 202-226-1169 Rep Lynn N. Rivers (MI-13) 1724 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6261, Fax: 202-225-3404 lrivers@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep John Conyers (MI-14) 2426 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5126, Fax: 202-225-0072 jconyers@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Bennie G. Thompson (MS-02) 1408 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5876, Fax: 202-225-5898 ms2nd@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Melvin L. Watt (NC-12) 1230 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-1510, Fax: 202-225-1512 melmail@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Donald Payne (NJ-10) 2244 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3436, Fax: 202-225-4160 Rep Jerrold Nadler (NY-08) 2448 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5635, Fax: 202-225-6923 nadler@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Major Owens (NY-11) 2305 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6231, Fax: 202-226-0112 Rep Nydia M. Velazquez (NY-12) 1221 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2361, Fax: 202-226-0327 house.gov Rep Charles Rangel (NY-15) 2354 Rayburn House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4365, Fax: 202-225-0816 house.gov Rep Maurice Hinchey (NY-26) 2431 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6335, Fax: 202-226-0774 hinchey@mail.house.gov Rep John LaFalce (NY-29) 2310 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3231, Fax: 202-225-8693 Rep Marcy Kaptur (OH-09) 2311 Rayburn House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4146, Fax: 202-225-7711 Rep Dennis Kucinich (OH-10) 1730 Longworth House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5871, Fax: 202-225-5745 Rep Louis Stokes (OH-11) 2365 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-7032, Fax: 202-225-1339 Rep Sherrod Brown (OH-13) 328 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3401, Fax: 202-225-2266 sherrod@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Elizabeth Furse (OR-01) 316 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-0855, Fax: 202-225-9497 furseor1@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Peter A. DeFazio (OR-04) 2134 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6416, Fax: 202-225-0373 pdefazio@hr.house.gov house.gov Rep Chaka Fattah (PA-02) 1205 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4001, Fax: 202-225-3127 house.gov Rep William Coyne (PA-14) 2455 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2301, Fax: 202-225-1844 Rep Carlos A. Romero-Barcelo (PR-AL) 2443 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2615, Fax: 202-225-2154 house.gov Rep Robert C. Scott (VA-03) 2464 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8351, Fax: 202-225-8354 bvassar@mail.house.gov Rep Bernard Sanders (VT-AL) 2202 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4115, Fax: 202-225-6790 bsanders@hr.house.gov, bsanders@igc.apc.org house.gov Rep James A McDermott (WA-07) 2349 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3106, Fax: 202-225-2349

To: Rose Rose who wrote (506)	12/22/1998 2:56:00 AM
From: Catfish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2390

Nazi's, Socialists, Communists - One and the same Center for the American Founding January 20, 1998 Balint Vazsonyi TAKING COMMUNISM SERIOUSLY By Balint Vazsonyi [First published January 20, 1998 in The Washington Times] The publication in France of "The Black Book of Communism" (reviewed in the Washington Times by Ben and Daniel Wattenberg, January 8) is setting off shockwaves in French political circles. But the book's real impact could be in America. At long last, we will have the tools to confront "Communism -- The Idea." Three centuries in the making, communism has offered the only challenge to the principles of the American Founding. It has done so under a bewildering variety of labels, all based on the identical doctrine: that human reason is supreme, and that certain people are capable of comprehending and arranging the world around us; that such people should guide all others toward an increasingly perfect and just society in which all desires will have been either eliminated or satisfied. Unlike the American quest for the best possible world, communism thus promises the perfect world. For Lenin, that meant a world where no one owned anything. For Hitler, one without Jews and ruled by Germans. Stalin combined it all -- no Jews, no ownership, and a world domination by Russia. Mao hunted down those who possessed Western books. All for social justice. All "in the best interest of the people." Eyebrows were raised when my 1995 essay "The Battle for America's Soul" detailed the parallels between the Third Reich and the Soviet Union as "The Unlikely Twins." Even more skepticism greeted the assertion that both grew out of nineteenth-century German philosophy. It comes as a relief that Tony Judt (New York Times, December 22, 1997) and Alain Besancon (Commentary, January 1998) published the same conclusions. Having grown up under both tyrannies, there was the troubling possibility that I had developed obsessions and mistaken them for reality. For sure, a lot is asked of native-born Americans with no experience of foreign occupation or tyranny, to see all this in the same light as those who lived through it. Even the often-shown horror pictures of the nazi concentration camps must appear as something from another planet. Visual record of the horrible deeds elsewhere is not accessible, and reports of them have been obscured by the beguiling language of socialism: "peace, compassion, international brotherhood." But reality is that even Mussolini was a socialist who, thrown out by fellow-socialists, formed his own socialist party named "fascist" after a symbol from ancient Rome. Reality is that Hitler's outfit was called the National Socialist German Workers' Party, with a manifesto copied from Marx. Reality is that Lenin's Bolshevik Party was based on German books. Differences merely reflected local conditions. Jiang Zemin, China's current president speaks of "Socialism with Chinese characteristics." Might some people be working on socialism with American characteristics? Most Americans prefer the notion that communism went out with the dissolution of the Soviet Union. But communism, remember, was not born in the Soviet Union. Why would it have died with the Soviet Union? Is it likely that the millions who signed on to The Idea just shrugged their shoulders in 1991 and drank a toast to the rule of law and free enterprise? Remember also: socialists, whether they realize it or not, are committed to building communism because socialism -- President Jiang Zemin reminds us -- is but a phase on the road to communism. Many see a difference between socialists and communists. But Marx, in the Communist Manifesto of 1848, already differentiates among seven types of socialism, dismissing all except his own. Since his doctrines are described as "socialist" and the publication is called "Communist Manifesto," it is just a game with words. The most successful word game was devised by Stalin, who renamed Hitler's regime "fascist" to cover up the fact that it, too, was socialist. For several decades, we have been fooled about nazism and communism as "opposites." Nazis were the ultimate evil but communists -- Hollywood assured us during the 50th anniversary of the HUAC hearings -- were good people. The "Hollywood Ten" of 1948, and many others since, believed that communism was really a good idea with a few "mistakes" along the way. By mistake, a hundred million people were killed in various terrible ways, so the "Black Book of Communism" informs us. That, and the irrefutable evidence of methods identical to those of Nazi Germany, should open many eyes at last. There is nothing we can do about the past. But we can do something for the future. We can change the words we use. As Alain Besancon points out in Commentary, the current vocabulary for our political spectrum is of Soviet origin. It placed socialists and communists on the left, "capitalists, imperialists" on the right. Once nazis entered the picture, they became the far right, and room was created for "moderates" in the middle. Each of these propositions is a deception. Placing communist socialists and national socialists at opposite ends feigned a quality difference between their agendas, and the people who joined them. It also hinted that everyone on the "right" was in some proximity to the hated nazis. Recently, "extremist" has been added to move those on the "right," rhetorically, ever closer to nazis. Accompanying this has been the refusal by persons who espouse classic socialist tools to be called socialist. What else should we call people who advocate redistribution, class warfare, classification by ancestry, political correctness, revisionist history, school-to-work, speech codes? Or do they not realize they are socialists? If so, millions of Americans might reconsider their stance once they realize its origins. Millions more might rediscover America's founding principles once they accept that nazism was just another form of socialism. So let us restore clarity. There are the principles of the American Founding: the rule of law, individual rights, guaranteed property, and a common American identity. They bring, maintain, and defend freedom. Then there is the road to socialism: "social justice," group rights, redistribution through entitlements, and multiculturalism. They crush the human spirit, and enslave the participants. One is home-grown, secured by the sacrifice of countless generations, and uniquely successful. The other is of foreign origin, propagated around the world by political operatives, and has produced the greatest tragedies of recorded history. It should not be difficult to choose. But there is no middle. freerepublic.com