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To: Dan Spangenberg who wrote (4413)	12/23/1998 9:50:00 AM
From: pae	Respond to of 14778

UPS... Long, long ago and far, far away (well not that far away actually <g>) I did some time in a big iron data center with a SERIOUS UPS setup. What is relevant is that many inappropriate things got plugged in to the UPS mostly because the regular plugs got used up and here was this red plug, and people didn't have 3-way things handy and well people will be people. There was some amazement about the clock radios and lights still working during a power outage late one night! I suggest you plan to either over-size your UPS or tightly control what get plugged in. Paul

To: Dan Spangenberg who wrote (4413)	12/23/1998 10:27:00 AM
From: Spots	Respond to of 14778

Well, FWIW I run two machines from 1 UPS (as described here a while back). As far as running the machines, it works fine and it does minimize maintenance, but of course it leaves me vulnerable to UPS failures (also described here a while back). Not critical for me, but for an installation of the size you described, on that score alone I would suggest at least two largish UPSs rather than one. (Do you really think 6-9KVA will run all that gear? Maybe so, but it sounds more like at least two would be needed anyhow.) Another consideration is orderly shutdown, especially for your servers, if you're running more than one machine on a UPS. (I have this problem with my setup, potentialy, but as of now all my shutdowns are disorderly<g>.) You will have to have a serial port multiplier if you want to run shutdown software for multiple machines on the same UPS. I discussed this once with APC tech support. In their case at least the serial interface is one-way (from UPS to PC) and multiple connectivity of serial ports was not a problem, provided you can manage it physically (well, electrically). I don't know if there is a standard power management protocol or if it's all proprietary to the supplier. Anyway, this is a point to investigate. Spots

To: Dan Spangenberg who wrote (4413)	12/23/1998 8:58:00 PM
From: Zeuspaul	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14778

>>(digital imaging)<< Is 3d imaging anything like 3D modeling? Do you have any thoughts on configuring a Wintel machine (NT) for 3D modeling? Ballpark price $10,000. Engineering applications..overlaying aerial photography on 3d designs..3D Max and other.. What should I look for? Motherboard based on the GX chipset? 1GB RAM or more? High end Video card? Dual Xeon CPU's? Integraph? with Integraph $2000+/- video card?? Zeuspaul Can't help much with the UPS. We use individual UPS's for individual workstations. Mostly a knee jerk reaction to several power failures. Logistically it would be difficult to do it any other way. Fast easy basic protection. Guaranteed battery maintenace issues.

To: Dan Spangenberg who wrote (4413)	12/24/1998 7:15:00 AM
From: Clarence Dodge	Respond to of 14778

Dan buying one large UPS or optionally break down into subgroups by PC and Mac since the management software is different. Of the big three ups ( APC, Opti-ups, Best) only apc and Best have Mac sw. It would be good to use the same sw thru-out for consistency sake. Maybe make use of the standalone ups you already have and gang up just the unprotected machines. Seems some grouping solution inbetween all standalone or one really big un would be optimal.. these really big ups would also require a different type 'wall' plug. How about a call to a power protection only company for some advice/possible sales? These guys seem to work with protecting multi platform enviroments on a daily basis.