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To: PROLIFE who wrote (23478)12/24/1998 7:45:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Respond to of 39621
 
God has fulfilled his promises to David by setting David's son, Jesus, upon the throne of David forever. Jesus now reigns as the eternal King of New Covenant Israel--the children of God who have been washed in Jesus' blood.

[Pss 89:4] 'your descendants for ever, and build your throne for all generations." [Selah]
[Pss 89:5] Let the heavens praise thy wonders, O LORD, thy faithfulness in the assembly of the holy ones!
[Pss 89:16] who exult in thy name all the day, and extol thy righteousness.
[Pss 89:17] For thou art the glory of their strength; by thy favor our horn is exalted.
[Pss 89:27] And I will make him the first-born, the highest of the kings of the earth.
[Pss 89:29] I will establish his line for ever and his throne as the days of the heavens.


All glory and honor and power to God our Father, the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit both and forever.

Emile



To: PROLIFE who wrote (23478)12/24/1998 8:13:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Respond to of 39621
 
Jesus fulfilled all!!

[Luke 1:67] And his father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying,
[Luke 1:68] "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people,[GOD HAS REDEEMED HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL]
[Luke 1:69] and has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David,
[Luke 1:70] as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old,
[Luke 1:71] that we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all who hate us;
[Jesus has redeemed Israel.]
[Luke 1:72] to perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant,[THE PROMISES TO ANCIENT ISRAEL AND THE HOLY COVENANT HAS BEEN FULFILLED.]
[Luke 1:73] the oath which he swore to our father Abraham,
[Luke 1:74] to grant us that we, being delivered from the hand of our enemies, might serve him without fear,
[Luke 1:75] in holiness and righteousness before him all the days of our life.[THE OATH OR PROMISES MADE TO ABRAHAM WERE FULFILLED IN CHRIST]
[Luke 1:76] And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High; for you will go before the Lord to prepare his ways,
[Luke 1:77] to give knowledge of salvation to his people in the forgiveness of their sins,[JOHN THE BAPTIST CAME IN THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH TO PREPARE THE WAY OF JESUS.]
[Luke 1:78] through the tender mercy of our God, when the day shall dawn upon us from on high
[Luke 1:79] to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace."

Glory to God our Father, the Lord Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus has fulfilled all the old covenant and established the New in his blood.

A blessed and Spirit filled celebration of the birthday of our Lord and SAviour Jesus Christ to all who are in Christ Jesus.

May the blessings of Gods' love and truth fall upon all who are seeking truth and reality with a sincere heart.

There is no salvation outside of Jesus
Emile




To: PROLIFE who wrote (23478)12/24/1998 11:21:00 PM
From: DLL  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Barookh 'atah adonai 'elohaynoo melekh haolam as her natan lanoo m'sheeakh yeshooa v'hadvareem shel hab'reet hakhadashah. Ba-rookh 'atah adonai noteyn hab'reet hakhadashah.

Blessed are you, 0 Lord our God, Ruler of the universe, who by your word brings on the evening twilight, and by your wisdom opens the gates of the heavens. With understanding you order the cycles of time and vary the seasons, setting the stars in their courses in the sky; according to your will. You create day and night, causing the light to pass away before the darkness and the darkness before the light. By your will the day turns into night; the Lord of heavenly hosts is your name. 0 ever-living God, rule over us forever. Blessed are you, 0 Lord, who brings on the evening twilight.

With everlasting love you have loved the house of Israel, teaching us your Torah and precepts, your statutes and judgments. There-fore, 0 Lord our God, when we lie down and when we get up, we will meditate on your instructions and rejoice forever in the words of your Torah and in its teachings, for they are our life and sustenance. We will meditate upon them day and night. May your love never leave us. Blessed are you, 0 Lord, who loves your people Israel.

Seasons Shalom to all in Yeshua's name. - DLL



To: PROLIFE who wrote (23478)12/25/1998 5:35:00 PM
From: nihil  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
re: Jesus's early rejection of gentiles (the woman of Canaan)

Matt 16:22

And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24 But he answered and said "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of of the house of Israel" 25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying Lord help me. 26 But he answered and said "It is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it to dogs [!]" 27 And she said, Truth, Lord, and yet the dogs eat of the crumbs that fall from their masters' table. 28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her "O woman, great is thy faith: be it even as thou wilt." And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

***

Up to this point, I believe that Jesus conceived of himself as a Jewish prophet, possibly even the Messiah (a purely Jewish human hero).
I believe that the writer of Matthew conceived the colloquy with the woman of Canaan an epiphany which converted Jesus in his own mind far beyond mere (Jewish) Messiahhood into a very close companion spirit of a universal god (in that he could cure non-Jewish persons at will). He never claims to be God, but at best the Son of God, although greater than Elias. He has no concept of a triune God and draws a clear distinction between himself and the one God (Matthew 19:17) . Now he moves beyond mere occasional psychic healing, which almost any tent-show charlatan can do, to believing that he can multiply foodstuffs and heal multitudes, move mountains and must go to Jerusalem to be sacrificed. Now he believes he is transfigured on a climb of an unidentified mountain apart not before the 12 (folie de douze) but before "the rock" (who later wanted to build tabernacles there but instead had a church built on him (literally, according to recent excavations under St. Peter's) and the "sons of thunder" (folie de quatre). [my guess is that the four were struck by lightning -- thus the name of the boanerges and the memory of Peter and John of a luminous discharge (St. Elmo's fire) on Jesus].

We can never really know, of course, but the reconstruction of a detailed account of Jesus's life reasonably consistent with what is known of memory, fantasy, self-delusion, charlatanry, schizophrenia, goodness, and the records of those who claim to have been there (John and Peter) and those who may have known eyewitnesses (Mark, Matthew, Luke, Paul) is an important intellectual enterprise for those who would understand history. I cannot believe that Jesus was any more than human -- what, after all, is greater than that. I think that Jesus started displaying symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia in his early 30's and took up the career of a hedge preacher. I believe in his good intentions. I believe that his aspirations expanded as he learned from the experience of his extraordinary influence over others. I believe that his tragic life and death were regrettable but probably inevitable, given the llimited psychiatric treatment of the time (but he could have checked out the teaching of Epictetus of Nicoplis -- had he been educated. I cannot tell whether his influence on mankind has been good or bad, but that influence, whatever it is, is the result of those who believed in him and followed him. He was willing to pay the ultimate price, but so indeed were many of his followers. Martyrdom for an idea is always risky. What if the idea is not true, as most of them were not. How foolish was Socrates for letting himself be sacrificed essentially for freedom of speech. He could have done more for it by fleeing and publishing (as Aristotle was later to do -- saying he would not let Athens commit a second crime against philosophy). How wise was Galileo to bow his head to the Pope and preventing another crime against science as the murder of Giordano Bruno. How wise was Newton to obstruct justice by concealing his denial of Jesus and his perjury, disclosure of which would have led to his discharge from his Lucasian Professorship or his Mastership of the Mint and -- in any country under papal control (as England would have been had Henry VIII not lusted excruciatingly for Anne Boleyn)-- his death at the stake.
I do believe that billions of people have been misled and deluded into believing things that cannot be proved -- i.e. into faith. I hope that they have been misled by misguided persons of good intentions. I would hate for so much of human life to be based on fraud. I would hate to think that Bruno, Cranmer, Latimer, More, Henri Quatre, Saint Louis, St. Paul, St. Peter (that faithful man!), Federigo il Secundo (Stupor Mundi), John Brown, Albert Schweitzer, St. Francis were destroyed by reliance on fraudulent misrepresentation.