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To: Paul Engel who wrote (44043)	12/26/1998 4:15:00 PM
From: Maxwell	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572627

Priest: <<Maxwell - Anand's Latest K6-3 Benchmarks attribute most of its gains from the 2 MegaByte L3 cache - apparently in a RINGER system provided by AMD. Anand seems bright enough to have recognized this "stacked deck" provided by AMD and he re-did his benchmarks with differing amounts of external L3 cache. With smaller L3 caches - or no cache at all - the K6-3 performance is severely degraded:>> There is little improvement going from L3=1M to 2M. Most MB comes with 512K or 1M L2 (which will become L3 in K6-3 systems). The strength of the K6-3 is in the integrated 256K L2. Winstone 98 K6-3-350 (512K L3)= 27.2 Pentium II 400 = 27.6 K6-3-350 (1M L3)= 28.0 K6-3-350 (2M L3)= 28.9 Pentium II 450 = 29.5 CeleronA 450= 29.5 K6-3-400 (1M L3/ 66MHz FSB) = 29.9 When AMD releases the K6-3 it will be the fastest period. It will also be cheaper than the PII. Look like Sharpteeth are out to bite PII. Maxwell

To: Paul Engel who wrote (44043)	12/27/1998 12:52:00 AM
From: Kevin K. Spurway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572627

Re: "without its newly found L3 cache, the K6-3 is quickly able to lose the grip it had on the top of the performance charts." Guess what, Paul? WITHOUT IT'S L2 CACHE, THE PENTIUM II IS JUST A BRAIN DEAD CELERY! I challenge you to find a Super 7 board with no L2 cache SRAMS. They don't exist. Anand's L3-less tests are irrelevant. Paul, most super 7 boards have 1 meg of cache. Even with 512k of cache, Anand's tests show the K6-3 is a compelling upgrade path (as opposed to throwing away your CPU, mobo, etc, and buying Intel stuff). Anand says so: "however as the test results show, older motherboards with 512KB of cache and those that operate only at the 66MHz FSB will be fine with the K6-3 as an upgrade path for the future." Or, if you want a system that outpeforms the best that Intel can offer, a K6-3 with 2(or more?) MB of L2 cache is much cheaper than a PII-450. Re: "Anand seems bright enough to have recognized this "stacked deck" provided by AMD" I guess half-speed L2 provided by Intel on the PII is a stacked deck, too. Was Anand's motherboard provided by AMD? I doubt it. Quite a few super-7 mobos nowadays have 2 MB L2. Kevin