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To: DLL who wrote (23550)	12/27/1998 11:49:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

1. Under the New Covenant, circumcision is of the heart. and not of the flesh. Romans 2 28: For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. 29: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. ------------------------- 2. The promises made to Abraham [the Abrahamic Covenant] were to fulfilled through his SEED [Jesus], and not through the physical seeds of Israel. Under the New Covenant, all who are in Christ Jesus are the children of Abraham [Jews] and heirs to the promises of Abraham. i>Rom.4 13: For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. Gal. 3 16: Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Gal.3 27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. --------------------------- 3. Those who pretend to be the circumcision [or concision] without accepting Christ are not real Jews according to the Word of God. Phil.3 2: Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision[the Jews who reject Christ]. 3: For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. --------------------------- 4. Those who reject the Word of God about Christians being the real Jews under the New Covenant should not spread these lies. Col. 3 9: Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10: And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. ------------------------- 5. There is only ONE Body of Christ under the New Covenant, and not two. All who accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour belong to the Body of Christ and the Seed of Abraham. 1Cor. 12 13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. ------------------------ 6. Those who would divide the Body of Christ {God} are speaking contrary to the Word of God. Rom. 10 12: For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. ---------------------- 7. We enter the Life of God through "the new and living way" which is through the blood of Jesus. Heb.10 19: Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20: By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21: And having an high priest over the house of God; -------------------------------------------------------------------- There is only one way route to become the chosen of God under the New Cocvenant, and that way is Christ. All who call upon the name of Jesus as Lord and Saviour are the "royal priesthood" and "holy nation" of God. Emile

To: DLL who wrote (23550)	12/28/1998 12:25:00 AM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Evening Donald, Thanks for your reply. Just a couple of comments. Doesn't Emile claim to be the true Israel? IMHO Emile represents the people Yeshua was talking about. Donald, this is not said to say I agree with somes tactics ok? but Donald if you don't know it, there are millions of Christians that believe they ARE spiritual Israel. I know many dedicated, non hating , God fearing, folks that believe that very thing. IMO there are many verses to support it. BUT... BUT.. I will not BEAT you over the head with it. Did you ever look over the link to the prophesy concerning Israel's return to the land and their control over Jerusalem? The fulfillment of prophecy to the day show that indeed God is still faithful to his promise to the Jewish people. Yes and we have teachers in our own congregation that have taught on three sides of this issue. One on the very thing you say, one on the opposite and one on the meanings of "numbers" used in scripture. I DO like your tactic in your congregation of teaching Jews about Jesus and bringing them to Him, BUT...BUT... I certainly am NOT the Judge of Whom God will save when the end comes. 1Jo 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? GREAT scripture. We all can use it daily. Here is another I am slowly learning. WHY am I slowly learning it?? Because it is talking about ME!!! I am learning I am weak. Romans 14:1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. The least Emile could do to show love would be to apologize. What would be good enough of an apology, Donald? Would he have to deny everything he believes or just his attitude in that belief. Emile, I know you are reading this. Do YOU see the door YOUR brother just opened?????? God Bless dan

To: DLL who wrote (23550)	12/28/1998 2:13:00 AM
From: Chris land	Respond to of 39621

DLL, These passages in John show us who the church is made up of: He was in the world and the world was made by him and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man but of God. Born not of blood means that heritage will not make you a son of God, in other words just because someone claims to be a Jew holds no weight with God. But we have Abraham as our father.... so what! That will not get you into the kingdom is what Jesus was telling them. I think it was Chuck Smith who once said, "God has no grandchildren." Chris