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To: Rick Julian who wrote (27387)	12/28/1998 7:45:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Rick, Gandhi and Martin Luther King are exceptions to the rule. A hell of a lot of people - E could cite a few for you - who sought systemic change are languishing in prisons around the world, for the crime of offending the powers that be. The solution to every old problem brings with it a new problem. That is no reason to stop trying to solve problems. It is also a mistake to try and romanticize the past. The agrarian age was no paradise for families, except perhaps for the few who owned large landholdings, many of which were worked by migrant laborers who rarely saw their families, except when they all worked in the fields together. Or when they starved together in the off season. It is difficult to explain to those who have not lived in underdeveloped countries for extended periods, but in many of these countries systemic change is absolutely and unconditionally necessary for any real improvement in the lives of the poor. I'm not talking about change in the physical environment, such as industry, medicine, or transportation. I'm talking about changing the assumption that 5% of the people are born with the inherent right to rule the other 95%, and that that right will not change, no matter how badly they rule. I'm talking about the assumption that the poor have no legal rights or entitlements of any kind. And on, and on, and on. In America, I'm actually quite conservative. Here, I'm a bit of a radical, simply because radical change is obviously necessary. It's much the same in India, and the more individuals and institutions recognize that necessity, the more likely it is that those changes will occur. Steve

To: Rick Julian who wrote (27387)	12/29/1998 8:15:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Respond to of 108807

>The industrial age made things "better" and initiated the dissolution of the family. For the first time men were separated from their wives and children, leaving their agrarian, family based roots to work in factories.< Not sure I accept this. The family has been under siege since the first Mesopotamian warlord pillaged a neighboring village and enslaved it. Since then - the integrity of the family has been a privilege of the (affluent) literate classes. Maybe that's why it doesn't get a big play in history - until literacy penetrated the shifting sands of the underclass. Maybe that's the reason why it looks like the big change happened then. BWDIK :-)