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To: Cosmo Daisey who wrote (344)12/30/1998 2:49:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 41369
 
Cosmo, stop with the MM's!!! The vast bulk of shares are traded on the NYSE. You can check the total volume figures through nyse.com
No MM's. They are specialists. And as you said, the stop orders are not visible there. That is a NASDAQ phenomenon. But given that, it is impossible to generate a scenario for profits induced by selling. Suppose I am a portfolio manager a "PM" and one of several hundred to boot, and let's say I have 5MM shares of AOL. Suppose the price is $150/share, and I start selling, so I end up pushing the price down to $140. Now I begin buying, and guess what? The price moves back up. The scenario you are pushing is basically a stampede, and trying to start a stampede with a momentum stock is just plain dumb because as in real life stampedes, the direction of the heard is unpredictable.

The only way your scenario works is through illegal collusion which is made very difficult (and probably easy to trace) by NYSE rules. If AOL were a thinly traded NASD stock it would be easy to move the price using bogus trades designed to pick off either the short sellers or the stop losses. But outside of the unsupported claims being made about this for volatile stocks, there is nothing to lead me to believe that the portfolio managers are manipulating the price of the stock to the detriment of the small shareholder.

TTFN,
CTC



To: Cosmo Daisey who wrote (344)12/30/1998 3:59:00 PM
From: somethingwicked  Respond to of 41369
 
Keep it up Cosmo! I love a good conspiracy theory.



To: Cosmo Daisey who wrote (344)12/30/1998 6:38:00 PM
From: Voltaire  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 41369
 
Cosmo, you are absolutely correct. I have argued with Chuzz and a few others on the Dell thread for months about this. Glad to see the intelligence on this thread. I predicted this move today before the market opened. I guess it is just ironic. YEA RIGHT!

From the porch,

Voltaire