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Non-Tech : Tulipomania Blowoff Contest: Why and When will it end? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Sir Auric Goldfinger who wrote (419)12/31/1998 5:34:00 PM
From: David R. Schaller  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3543
 
Auric, at first I thought these were just tighter requirements at a particular brokerage, but this was on the Schwab site:

In response in the recent volatility of some Internet stocks,
beginning December 3, 1998, the maintenance requirements for
25 NASDAQ Internet stocks will be changed. The 25 NASDAQ,
listed below, will be subject to a 50% maintenance requirement.

Margin maintenance requirements are set by the rules and
regulations of the New York Stock Exchange, the American Stock
Exchange and other regulatory agencies to the jurisdiction of
which we are subject; and according to our sole discretion and
judgment. Margin maintenance requirements may change without
prior notice.

Trades in these stocks should be placed with the new
requirement in mind.

The NASDAQ stocks subject to the new maintenance requirement
of 50% are as follows:

AMZN Amazon.com
BAMM Books-A-Million
BCST Broadcast.Com
BYND Software.Net
CDNW CD Now
CMGI CMG Information
CNCX Concentric Networks
COOL Cyberian Outpost
DRIV Digital River
EBAY eBAY
ELNK Earthlink Networks
EWBX Earthweb
GCTY Geocities
GNET Go2net
ITVU Intervu
KTEL K-tel
MSPG Mindspring
OMKT Open Market
ONSL OnSale
TFSM 24/7 Media
TGLO theglobe.com
YHOO Yahoo
GEEK Internet America
INSP Infospace.com
XMCM Xoom.com
ABOV Abovenet Communications

The date indicates its been in effect since early Dec at Schwab. If the new restrictions (or even tougher) become wide ranging it spells trouble with a capitol "T".

Monday should be interesting, Dave



To: Sir Auric Goldfinger who wrote (419)12/31/1998 5:41:00 PM
From: EL KABONG!!!  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3543
 
Auric,

Interesting viewpoint:

biz.yahoo.com

Thursday December 31, 2:48 pm Eastern Time

FUND VIEW - Some managers like internet stocks

By Cal Mankowski

NEW YORK, Dec 31 (Reuters) - Both value and growth oriented stock fund managers have been skeptical of Internet stocks given their enormous price-to-earnings ratios, but some are willing to make bets that electronic commerce is the wave of the future.

"On the face of it, these stocks look overvalued," said Courtney Smith, chief investment officer and portfolio manager for the Orbitex Group of Funds. "If we assume that a stock represents discounted future cash flows for that company, then these stocks are overvalued. But in fact they are not overvalued if you look at the stocks as a proxy for all future Internet stocks coming to market."

Smith likens the current Internet craze to what happened with electronics and computer stocks in the 1960's and 1970's and with biotechnology issues in the 1980s.

Valuations for Internet stocks will continue to look very high over the next two to five years but eventually, as the industry matures, price-earnings ratios will be more in line with other growth stocks, Smith argues.

David Kern, executive vice president of Kern Capital Management LLC and manager of the Fremont U.S. Small Cap Fund, believes a good way to invest in the growth of the Internet and electronic commerce is to find companies providing specialized technology that "enables" or facilitates other activity.

He cites as an example VeriSign Inc (Nasdaq:VRSN - news), a company that provides digital solutions and infrastructure for companies, government agencies and individuals to conduct secure communications and commerce on the Internet.

"It allows you, without face-to-face or voice-to-voice contact, to know that the person on the other end is who they say they are," Kern said. He expects VeriSign to reach a break-even point sometime in 1999. Beyond that he sees enormous growth potential.

Kern believes the "enabling" companies will not face the same degree of competition down the road that some other Internet companies might from companies rushing to adopt ".com" names and products.

"I think E-commerce is going to be very big and this is the way to take some of the 'low barrier to entry' risk out of the equation," Kern said.

Smith on the other hand leans to the market leaders, such as Yahoo! Inc. (Nasdaq:YHOO - news), America Online Inc. (NYSE:AOL - news) and Amazon.com Inc. (Nasdaq:AMZN - news).

But he also sees ways to invest in companies that are more directly involved in providing an infrastructure for the Internet. He compares that approach to selling pans to gold miners in the California gold rush days and in this group he includes Cisco Systems Inc. (Nasdaq:CSCO - news) and MCI WorldCom Inc. (Nasdaq:WCOM - news).

While many fund managers continue to look with skepticism on the Internet stocks because earnings are lacking or, if there are earnings, price-to-earnings ratios can be 100 or more, others on Wall Street are slowly beginning to reassess the outlook.

One trader, who did not want to be identified, said E-commerce has already grown far beyond what was predicted by analysts a few years ago. This trader said life style issues are a driving force as busy consumers pressed for time find that a few clicks of the mouse is an easy way to conduct business.


KJC



To: Sir Auric Goldfinger who wrote (419)12/31/1998 6:22:00 PM
From: tonyt  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3543
 
Congrats on your mention (and this thread's) in the WSJ.
(Apologies if this has already been posted)

Party Over, Out Of Time?: Debate Over Web Stks Rages Online

By Maria V. Georgianis

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Online message boards and chat rooms are abuzz with predictions of an early 1999 correction in the meteoric Internet stock sector, but faithful Web-stock fans steadfastly argue that the party isn't over.

Touting bullish holiday-sales surveys and predictions by online retailers, some message board participants are even urging investors to continue buying Internet stocks, many of which have hit lofty heights in recent weeks.

Their zealousness is driven by the belief that the Internet will become a significant venue for commerce, and the dominant vehicle for communication and entertainment.

But some financial experts have suggested that Internet stocks will fall early next year on profit-taking, and as valuations in the sector come down. Any letdowns in fourth-quarter results - or in first-quarter 1999 revenue - could also burst the bubble.

Some online chatroom participants are drowning out their negativism, saying that the more people believe that Internet stocks will fall, the less likely they will.

"The market does its best to fool the majority," a posting by Anindo Majumdar on a Yahoo Inc. (YHOO) message board on the Silicon Investor financial Web site, said.

Others are betting that the fourth-quarter results - which for most Internet companies means revenue growth, not profits - will turn the bears into bulls. Such was the predominant sentiment early Thursday on America Online Inc.'s (AOL) "Market News" message board.

"The market will no doubt be volatile in 1999, but I have heard more analysts predict the Internet segment will continue its upward trend in 1999," said "Lionheart," a participant on Silicon Investor's AOL message board.

The investor gushed about AOL's report Wednesday that it had 15 million members to its online service. The service had 14 million members on Nov. 12. AOL said more members joined on Christmas Day than on any single day in its history.

Internet stocks are trading flat Thursday, even with AOL's addition today to the S&P 500 stock index. But some chat-room members see a major selloff early next week.

Since Dec. 21, a contest on Silicon Investor has asked participants to predict when and why a 40% correction in the space of five consecutive trading days will occur in high-flyers Amazon.com Inc. (AMZN), Yahoo! Inc. (YHOO), eBay Inc. (EBAY), America Online and CMGI Inc. (CMGI).

The contest, started by a self-described New York fund manager using the alias "Auric Goldfinger," promises a $5,000 cash prize to the winner. The contest is known as the "Tulipomania Blowoff."

Some contest participants are predicting a collapse as early as Jan. 4, the first trading day after the New Year's holiday. Others believe it will happen within the month.

Triggering the tumble, some are suggesting, will be insiders and large investors selling to lock in profits before the bubble bursts, which in turn will set off trading by retail investors. Some bulls suggest that the lower prices will actually spur further demand.

"Having a big position in these stocks early in the year is way too risky," said "The Guru," a participant on the Yahoo message board on Silicon Investor. "Having it (on the last trading day of the year) is good because they will look smart when the annual reports are printed," the guru said.

Another reason suggested for the crash is that people are getting tired of the Internet stock frenzy that has swept up companies that aren't even related to the Internet. A press release touting a new Web retail site, in some cases, has been enough to send a stock soaring.

"Esecurities," a participant on the Tulipomania message board, suggested that the increase in the supply of Internet shares will put an end to Internet mania. Currently, many Internet stocks' volatility is driven by their thin float or limited amount of publicly traded shares.

"Every day more and more of these companies go public, have stock splits, etc., and slowly there will be enough and demand will fall," esecurities wrote on the board.

Some suggest a sinister reason for an Internet sector collapse - that the Securities and Exchange Commission will halt trading of some questionable Internet companies.

The correction isn't expected to affect all Internet stocks equally and at the same time. Some financial experts have suggested that first-tier stocks such as Amazon, Yahoo, eBay and AOL will see a slight correction of no more than 20%. But second-tier companies will be a mixed bag.

"It will not collapse from the top," said "Hiram Walker" a participant on the Tulipomania message board. "The last three Internet stocks to go down will be AOL, Yahoo, and Amazon, all the others will be dust by then," Walker said.

Even some ardent fans of the sector are having second thoughts about it continuing its bull run. "NickNameo," a self-described new AOL shareholder on The Motley Fool financial Web site, said he's trying to stay grounded.

"At some point we have to accept that AOL (being) up 400% in four months, other stocks (being up that much) in one or two days, is an anomaly that will end," he said.

- Maria V. Georgianis; (201) 938-5244;

maria.georgianis@cor.dowjones.com.