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Pastimes : Impeachment=" Insult to all Voters" -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (1175)1/3/1999 3:39:00 PM
From: Bob Lao-Tse  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2390
 
>>Unless you think George Bush was wearing earplugs in all those NSC meetings.

As I've already said, "I've always believed that Bush was in charge, and have never said otherwise."

>>The article of impeachment on the Paula Jones testimony was voted down.

The article specifically on the Jones testimony didn't pass, but as the two articles that were passed are both based on the Jones testimony, it is still pertinent.

On August 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth before a Federal grand jury of the United States. Contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury concerning one or more of the following: (1) the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate Government employee; (2) prior perjurious, false and misleading testimony he gave in a Federal civil rights action brought against him; (3) prior false and misleading statements he allowed his attorney to make to a Federal judge in that civil rights action; and (4) his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence in that civil rights action. (Emphasis mine)

As you say, deal with it.

>>All that's left is insufficient cooperation with Starr

Assuming that to be true, which I don't think it is; doesn't it disturb you even a little bit that your defense of Clinton is that he, as President of the United States, chose not to cooperate with a duly appointed independent prosecutor who was pursuing an investigation that had already been approved by the Attorney General of the United States?

And anyway, that's obviously not "all that's left."

(1) On or about December 17, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly encouraged a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him to execute a sworn affidavit in that proceeding that he knew to be perjurious, false and misleading.

(2) On or about December 17, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly encouraged a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him to give perjurious, false and misleading testimony if and when called to testify personally in that proceeding.

(3) On or about December 28, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly engaged in, encouraged, or supported a scheme to conceal evidence that had been subpoenaed in a Federal civil rights action brought against him.

(4) Beginning on or about December 7, 1997, and continuing through and including January 14, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton intensified and succeeded in an effort to secure job assistance to a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him in order to corruptly prevent the truthful testimony of that witness in that proceeding at a time when the truthful testimony of that witness would have been harmful to him.

(5) On January 17, 1998, at his deposition in a Federal civil rights action brought against him, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly allowed his attorney to make false and misleading statements to a Federal judge characterizing an affidavit, in order to prevent questioning deemed relevant by the judge. Such false and misleading statements were subsequently acknowledged by his attorney in a communication to that judge.

(6) On or about January 18 and January 20-21, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton related a false and misleading account of events relevant to a Federal civil rights action brought against him to a potential witness in that proceeding, in order to corruptly influence the testimony of that witness.

(7) On or about January 21, 23 and 26, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton made false and misleading statements to potential witnesses in a Federal grand jury proceeding in order to corruptly influence the testimony of those witnesses. The false and misleading statements made by William Jefferson Clinton were repeated by the witnesses to the grand jury, causing the grand jury to receive false and misleading information.


Regardless of whether you agree with these charges or not (and I must say that I don't necessarily agree with all of them myself), they are much more than simply "insufficient cooperation."

And now, a personal note-

If you want to have a rational debate, that's fine, but if all you want to do is fight then you're going to have to find someone else to fight with. I've watched your behavior in these threads, and I've seen the depths to which you will stoop. I will not join you there.

Bleat bleat,

Bob