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To: funk who wrote (3059)1/4/1999 9:25:00 PM
From: scanshift  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 7382
 
Is MB Trading being blackmailed by Terra Nova Trading?
Being a principal in the three way triangle that I put together between Jerry Putnam (Terra Nova Trading) and Townsend, I have an interest in projects involving these individuals. Thus, I am wondering if MB Trading is being blackmailed by Putnam, and that is why they have yet to become their own broker dealer. I see that you always dodge the real questions I post with your goofy answers, instead of a straight answer. Is MB Trading being blackmailed by Putnam based on some stories of MB Trading giving kickbacks to the principals of daytraders.com
The deal is that MB Trading is referred customers by daytraders.com, and then gives a kickback to daytraders.com at the end of the month based on total volume traded by those customers. They do this under the heading of a "variable monthly advertising rate" for MB Trading to be the lead broker on their home page. The one problem, is that a branch office cannot play the kick back game, but a broker dealer can.

For those readers new to this thread, I am pasting below my first post on this thread, #2059, from a couple months ago, and then they can follow my future posts to learn more about the integrity of Terra Nova and Townsend.

To: funk (2058 )
From: scanshift
Saturday, Nov 21 1998 12:08AM ET


Terra Nova Trading and Townsend Analytics have a track record of outrageous behavior, along with significant conflicts of interest regarding trading practices that continues to this day! Individuals who are current or potential customers may benefit from my direct experience in having been one of the principals that started Terra Nova Trading.

A little background, and then at the end I will explain how individual customers of Terra Nova branch offices are affected. I started Terra Nova Trading with Jerry Putnam in 1994. While I was a floor trader in the S&P 500 futures pit at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME) in 1994, I heard about Townsend who is across the street from the CME and asked if they wanted to program my software invention SCANSHIFT (www.scanshift.com) based on my background as a former U.S. Marine Corps pilot. They said yes, and a patent was filed in October 1994 and the patent was issued in November 1997. While recovering from a hit and run accident in 1995 where my hip socket and pelvis were shattered in 12 places, my partner Jerry Putnam and Townsend Analytics got together with a S&P 500 trader I introduced them to, Lewis Borsellino, and took another idea of mine, that being to start a SOES room, Chicago Trading and Arbitrage. They needed Borsellino to bring traders to it based on his reputation as a major floor trader. The three of them then played real dirty. They threw me out of our shared office, destroyed alot of my personal papers and then had some Chicago cops come to my residence and throw me around when I was still on crutches. This set back my hip rehab a good three months. Borsellino hung with Townsend and Terra Nova until he got involuntarily cut out of his share of the Archipelago ECN (also known as the Terra Nova ECN) that was a direct result from the revenues from their Chicago Trading and Arbitrage, SOES room. Borsellino filed lawsuit number number 98CH001363 in the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois on February 2, 1998. Within a few weeks, the case was settled by Townsend and Terra Nova's lawyer, Dan Web, the famous superstar former U.S. Attorney now in private practice. Why was it settled so quick, and with Borsellino only getting $250,000 plus the old office and real tick machines forever? The word is that Terra Nova and Townsend, both 50% owners of Archipelago L.L.C, the ECN also sometimes referred to as the Terra Nova ECN, sold 20% of it to Goldman Sachs for a cool fifteen (15)million dollars shortly thereafter. There was a story around the CBOE this week that Paine Webber is looking or already bought a substantial piece of the Archipelago ECN for twenty five (25) million! They also got a confidentiality agreement out of Borsellino, where he could not discuss what he knows about Townsend or Putnam. Of course they did not bother to tell their plans about Goldman Sachs to Borsellino, or to let him know that they had opened up what is now over 25 branch offices around the country that uses point and click software funded from the SOES room revenues. As far as me, Townsend still has a significant stake in my SCANSHIFT patent, yet I have not seen a dime of any monies that I was supposed to receive in future projects involving Townsend and Terra Nova. Nor did I receive a dime when SCANSHIFT was actively being pushed by Townsend. By the way, the range bar on the NASDAQ level 2 screen was my idea based on the right side of the SCANSHIFT range extension rectangle, blended in with the color scheme from the Angle of Attack bar from SCANSHIFT. Year and year out, all I get from these types are threats and more threats. Thus I figured, that it is about time that other people besides myself and Borsellino should know the truth. It comes down to raw greed, and
it is this raw greed of Townsend and Putnam that screwed me and continues to screw Terra Nova customers.

How does this greed of Townsend and Terra Nova affect customers who use a branch office of Terra Nova. First customers should deal with individuals who have integrity, of which Townsend and Terra Nova do not have any. Terra Nova and Townsend actively trade against the order flow that comes into its ECN for its own account. Why would any one ever want to have the principals of an ECN trading against your order flow? You may have a resting order to buy something on a limit, and Terra Nova will take down a market order to sell for its own proprietary accout which could have filled your limit. The Island ECN, owned by the principals of Datek, which is much bigger does not do that. They got out of proprietary trading along time ago. Other ECN's do not trade for their own account. That brings up another good point, the Island ECN pays one tenth of a cent for adding liquidity and only charges a quarter cent for removing liquidity. Yet, Terra Nova, pumps big volume through Island, and then charges a hell of alot more. There is much more to this story which I will tell in the future.

Fane Lozman



To: funk who wrote (3059)1/4/1999 11:14:00 PM
From: Sword  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7382
 
Margin Tutorial: (In case anyone's interested)

You begin the day all cash. Your Acctinfo screen looks like this:

Beginning Excess Equity 10,000 10,000
Less: Reg T Requirement - -
Less: MMR - -
__________________ ______________
= 50% Intraday = 50% Overnight
Buying Power Buying Power

Intraday Credit 0

Total Buying Power = 20,000 20,000
(This last line isn't displayed. You'll have to figure it out
yourself.)
-------------------------------------------------------------

You buy $20,000 of xyz and hold overnight. Next day your screen
looks like this (assuming no price change in the stock and not
taking into account commissions):

Beginning Excess Equity 5,000 5,000
Less: Reg T Requirement - -
Less: MMR - - 5,000
__________________ ______________
= 50% Intraday = 50% Overnight
Buying Power Buying Power

Intraday Credit 0

Total Buying Power = 10,000 0
------------------------------------------------------------
You are margined to the limit for overnights but can still
daytrade up to $10,000. You do this until the end of the day.
At one point you have bought $10,000 of abc as a daytrade.
You still own the overnight xyz.
Your screen looks like this:

Beginning Excess Equity 5,000 5,000
Less: Reg T Requirement - - 5,000
Less: MMR - 5,000 - 5,000
__________________ ______________
= 50% Intraday = 50% Overnight
Buying Power Buying Power

Intraday Credit 0

Total Buying Power = 0 -10,000
-------------------------------------------------------------
If you don't close out your daytrade, you'll have to fork up
10 grand the next day to cover the Reg T margin call.

You want to keep abc. You decide to dump your $20,000 of xyz instead.
You sell all of your xyz at the price you bought it.
Now your Acctinfo screen looks like:

Beginning Excess Equity 5,000 5,000
Less: Reg T Requirement - - 5,000
Less: MMR - 5,000 - 5,000
__________________ ______________
= 50% Intraday = 50% Overnight
Buying Power Buying Power

Intraday Credit 5,000

Total Buying Power = 10,000 5,000
--------------------------------------------------------------

The last line is calculated by multiplying your intraday credit
by 2 and adding it to both columns. You can switch a fully
margined position to another fully margined position in a different
stock from one day to the next and day trade using the credit
all day long as long as the new overnight position is in a
different stock. If you buy the same stock at the end of the day
to hold overnight the SEC considers that to be the same as never
selling it in the first place. That's fine as long as you don't
use the intraday credit to daytrade. If you do use it, the SEC forces
a margin call for the amount of credit you used.

Note also that the combined margin (overnight and daytrading) is 200%
of your equity (your original $10,000 used to buy $20,000 worth of
stock plus $10,000 for daytrading).

The next morning, your screen looks the same as the first morning with
xyz:

Beginning Excess Equity 5,000 5,000
Less: Reg T Requirement - -
Less: MMR - - 5,000
__________________ ______________
= 50% Intraday = 50% Overnight
Buying Power Buying Power

Intraday Credit 0

Total Buying Power = 10,000 0
------------------------------------------------------------

-Sword