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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (1278)	1/5/1999 2:10:00 PM
From: Frank Griffin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2390

Do you believe Bill and Hillary have an "open" marriage? Frank

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (1278)	1/5/1999 3:09:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 2390

My own vow included "being unto thee a true and faithful husband so long as we both shall life." To me, true and faithful includes exclusivity. I don't know what others vow. But traditionally, certainly, adultery was a valid cause for divorce as a violation of the marriage vow. I frankly don't understand the concept of "open marriage" and I really don't want to. Okay, call me old fashioned. (Which is NOT the same thing as conservative or right wing.) But I still agree with Perot. I don't want to elect anybody to office who cheats on the person who should be central to his or her life -- that person will dump on me without a moment's hesitation. And since you asked, I've been married 20+ years and I have never cheated on my wife, I have never had sexual relations with any woman not my wife no matter HOW you define the term (as long as you don't consider inadvertent, undesired, incidental contact between my clothed body and a woman's clothed body in a crowded elevator or subway as sexual relations, since having lived in New York I have done that more than once, which is a good reason for getting out of New York). There is no need for extramarital relations, IMO it is a basic weakness and a choice, and those who make the choice say a lot about themselves by the simple fact of having made it. And they say a lot more about themselves by the way they deal with it, mistakes being a part of life, but honestly admitting them and dealing with the messes you make being another part, and a much bigger part, of life. My argument with Clinton is not that he had sexual relations with other people, that's between him and Hillary and Chelsea (whom I feel worst for in this whole mess; can you imagine how humiliated she must be by all this?), but I DO object to his doing it on my time (in the office I paid for) while doing the job I'm paying him to do and with a subordinate. And I DO object to his not being man enough to admit that he did it and clean up his mess honestly and honorably. And I most of all object to the extraordinary damage he has done to the integrity of our legal system by, as I believe he did, perjuring himself and obstructing justice and when caught trying to weasel out of it, not saying okay, I made mistakes, I will admit them honestly and take the consequences. Which is what Livingston did, whether or not you believe it was voluntary, and I sure wish he hadn't had affairs, but I do respect him for owning up to them in the end and accepting his medicine.