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To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (123)1/5/1999 7:08:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Respond to of 178
 
how about stressful conditions in humans creating
illnesses in humans.. that is affecting other humans and animals :) Like cigarettes :(



To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (123)1/5/1999 7:09:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Respond to of 178
 



To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (123)1/7/1999 9:07:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Respond to of 178
 
Oil, Grains, Meats Lead Commodities
Higher
12:34 a.m. Jan 07, 1999 Eastern

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Crude oil and petroleum
products led commodity prices higher Wednesday as
speculative fund investors who had sold futures
contracts in many markets stormed back to buy on
signs that weather and transport problems could stall
supplies.

Cold weather keyed several market rallies, with
heating oil surging on more forecasts for more
below-normal and frigid temperatures from the
Midwest to the Northeast.

Cattle and hog prices soared as winter storms
backed up marketings and threatened animal health,
while grain prices surged with higher demand from
livestock feeders due to the cold weather. Farmer
sales of grain were also snarled.

For the day, the Bridge Commodity Research Index
of futures prices ended 2.20 points or 1.1 percent
higher at 196.69, while the Goldman Sachs
Commodity Index, more heavily weighted in energy
values, surged 3.96 points or 2.96 percent to 137.54.

At the New York Mercantile Exchange, oil prices set
the pace for the day as professional commodity fund
investors jumped in to buy, following more cold
weather forecasts and a surprisingly big drop in U.S.
crude oil stockpiles last week.

Crude oil for February delivery closed 81 cents
higher at $12.80 a barrel, while February heating oil
ended 1.51 cents a gallon higher at 35.73 cents and
February gasoline closed 2.08 cents a gallon higher at
38.43 cents.

Private forecaster Weather Services Corp said
Wednesday that the Northeast, the largest U.S.
heating oil consuming region, would have
below-normal temperatures in the next six to 10 days.
But prices had already soared after Tuesday night's
weekly report on U.S. oil usage and stocks from the
American Petroleum Institute, an industry group.

The API said crude oil stocks had dropped a
whopping 14.9 million barrels in the week ended Jan.
1, compared with an average analysts' estimate of a
drop of 3.3 million barrels.

But some analysts were doubtful that the rally could
be sustained as they termed most of the year-end
drawdown on crude as inventory reductions for tax
purposes.

In Chicago, grain and livestock prices continued to
surge as the Midwest struggled with more snows and
freezing cold. The combination of weather effects has
slowed hog marketings and slaughter rates and
pushed cash meat prices higher as bacon slicers and
other processors scramble for raw materials.

At the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, both lean hog
and pork belly prices closed limit-up Wednesday as
strong buying from speculators joined in with
commercial demand.

February lean hogs ended up the 2.00-cent-a-pound
daily trading limit for the second straight day, closing
at 34.725 cents. February pork bellies closed up the
3.00-cent-a-pound limit at 47.050 cents.

Cattle and beef prices also felt the updraft from pork
markets, closing limit-up. February live cattle ended
1.50 cents a pound higher at 62.175 cents and
March feeder cattle closed 1.50 cents a pound higher
at 71.675 cents.

''Funds had been short for months and we turned on
a dime,'' said Art Paulsrud, a trader at ADM Investor
Services.

At the Chicago Board of Trade, corn prices set a
three-week high and wheat prices also surged as a
big government food aid tender drew near. March
corn closed 6-1/2 cents a bushel higher at $2.23-3/4.

''They were citing the cold weather stalling cash
movement and one can't argue with that. But the real
story is farmers have not been selling, market prices
are cheap and the market was short,'' said Prudential
Securities analyst Tom Levis.

March wheat closed 7-1/4 cents a bushel higher at
$2.87-1/2, with the Commodity Credit Corp.'s food
aid tender to buy 695,000 metric tons of wheat due
Thursday.

March soybeans closed 4-1/4 cents higher at
$5.53-1/2.

Silver was yet another market that rose on
speculative short covering of positions by fund
investors. COMEX March silver ended up 12.3
cents at $5.165 an ounce, after setting a six-week
high.

Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited.



To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (123)1/9/1999 5:29:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 178
 
Farmers Face Record Low Hog Prices

Saturday, 9 January 1999
(AP)

WHEN DON Brady decided to call it quits as a hog farmer, he did not go
quietly. He had always enjoyed this life, he had always been a success. So
when low prices squeezed him out, he went public.

"Free hogs," declared the small ad he placed in his local newspaper.
"When the cost of a 10-pound ham is more than a farmer gets for his
whole hog, it's time to give them away."

And so he did.

Late last month, folks lined up in cars and trucks in 20-degree cold the
night before the giveaway, waiting to take him up on his
one-animal-per-family offer. He handed out 60 hogs in one day at his farm
in Neponset, in west-central Illinois.

"It was the last hurrah," says the 49-year-old Brady, who has tended hogs
since he was a fresh-faced teen in a 4-H Club. "This was a way to do
some good for needy families and to make a statement about what has
happened to the farmer."

What has happened is nothing short of a disaster.

Hog prices have plunged to record lows, forcing some farmers to quit and
pushing others deeper in debt, wondering if they will ever dig out. Some
have lost $2,000 a day, or two years' income in two months.

"It is catastrophic," says Chris Hurt, agricultural economist at Purdue
University. "It's Depression era. It is really without comparison."

Hog farmers lost about $2.6 billion in 1998, based on an average loss of
$27 per animal, says Ron Plain, a livestock specialist at the University of
Missouri.

And though prices have rebounded slightly in recent weeks, no one
expects a rapid reversal of fortune.

In fact, Plain predicts hog farmers could lose $1.5 billion more by
midsummer, when he expects they will break even.

The reason for the hog crisis is fairly simple: Too many animals, too few
slaughtering operations.

Oddly enough, prosperity is partly to blame.

Hog farming was booming in 1996 and 1997, so producers began raising
more animals. "When you make money, it's natural for people to want to
reinvest, and that's what happened," Plain says.

Some also blame the growth of huge corporate hog farms that have come
under increasing regulation by states because of air and water pollution
problems.

"There was a mad rush to find sites before there were further
environmental restrictions," Hurt says. Some states imposed moratoriums.

In 1998, hog production was up 10 percent over the last year, but packing
plant capacity fell by 8 percent. Three big older slaughterhouses closed in
the last two years.

"Packers found it didn't matter how low they bid for hogs, there still were
plenty of them lined up at the door each day," Plain says.

Hog prices fell from 55 cents a pound two years ago to as low as 8 cents a
pound in late 1998, he says.

Farmers who spent $100 to raise a hog sold their animals for $20 each.
And they had no choice. Unlike grain that can be stored until prices
rebound, hogs are perishable.

"You can't say, 'The market is terrible today,' " Plain says. "When they're
grown up and ready to go, they've got to go."

At the same time, the cost of pork at the grocery store barely changed in
the last year, prompting accusations of gouging.

Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman has asked for a federal probe into
possible price-fixing, even as farmers and some economists have raised
questions about consumer costs. His own agency is conducting an internal
probe of the price spread between the farm, wholesale and retail level and
packers' pricing practices.

But Plain argues that making pork cheaper in the supermarket would not
have rescued farmers.

"One would expect that if you cut the price, demand would increase for
pork, and hog prices would go up," he says. "Normally, that's how it
works - unless you have inadequate capacity somewhere down the line.
And that's what we had.

"If you cut the price ... packers couldn't kill any more hogs than they were
killing," he adds.

But that's little solace for farmers, who have become increasingly
frustrated. One Iowa producer planned a pig hunt on his land to call
attention to the crisis, but canceled the event.

Concern also has spread to the nation's capital, where experts testified last
week at a congressional hearing that prices would soon stabilize. That
same day, nearly a dozen hog producers met with President Clinton to
describe their dire straits.

Across the Midwest, there are countless tales of financial ruin.

"I told my kids I've got a job, but I don't have a paycheck," says an
exasperated Ron Mohr, an Iowa hog farmer for 34 years who gave away
27 of his animals in November.

"I lost $25,000-$30,000 in operating income in four months," he says.
"There's no question we can't continue this way very long."

Plain, the Missouri economist, says a third to a half of the nation's 114,000
hog producers are likely to quit unless there's a major government bailout.

On Friday, Vice President Al Gore announced hog producers will get $50
million in direct payments from the government. The government also
announced late last year it would buy $50 million worth of pork for the
federal food assistance program.

State governments, too, are pitching in. In Illinois, for instance, farmers will
have access to low-interest loans, and state agencies last week were
ordered to buy more pork for state prisons and mental institutions.

Meanwhile, pork producers remain in a quandary.

"Farmers don't know what to do. It's out of their control," says James
Quackenbush, president of the Minnesota Pork Producers Association.
"They don't have any other way to go but to get out and most don't want
to do that. They've invested a lot of years and a lot of money in their
operations."

"In some cases, you can't quit," adds Quackenbush, a fourth-generation
farmer who raises hogs with two brothers in the west-central Minnesota.
"You have a mortgage on that building. You're losing money, but you keep
going in hopes that you can get better."

That's what Tim Donlon is banking on to save the only career he's had in
his 36 years.

"We ask ourselves every day, 'What if this doesn't turn around? What will
we do?' There isn't a right answer. I could wake up tomorrow and say,
'I've had it,' " says Donlon, who farms amid the rolling hills of northeast
Iowa, 10 miles from the Mississippi River.

In one year, the value of his sows dropped from $30,000 to $5,000.

That has left him juggling bills, delaying payments and worrying about
borrowing more money from the bank.

"Instead of making $40,000 ... I lost $40,000," Donlon says, frustration
creeping into his voice. "I worked as hard as I did any other year and I've
got nothing to show for it."

In recent weeks, the hog glut has diminished slightly; cold weather slows
the animals' growth.

But it's all too late for Don Brady.

He says his grain crop will offset some of his losses, but he will end up in
the red. He still has some hogs to sell, but after that, will be out of the
business.

"It was a tremendously tough decision," says Brady, who followed in his
father's footsteps and had planned for his son to continue the family
tradition. "I love the job. It's like some people grow up to be firemen or
lawyers. We grew up to be hog farmers."

But farming, he says, is a gamble and he's not bitter he lost.

"When it becomes spring, we'll all get spring fever," he says. "Then we'll
turn a new chapter and do something else."

---

EDITOR'S NOTE - Sharon Cohen is the AP's Midwest regional reporter,
based in Chicago.



To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (123)1/10/1999 3:56:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Respond to of 178
 
Study: Boomers To Alter Health Care

Sunday, 10 January 1999
S A N F R A N C I S C O (AP)

THE DEMANDING, cash-heavy and technology-savvy baby boomers who
have driven the retail market will do the same with an ever-restrictive
health care industry, inspiring customer-friendly services and an explosion
in medical advertising, researchers say.

Forecasting the impact of aging baby boomers that are starting to spend
more time at the doctors' office, analysts at the Institute for the Future, a
Menlo Park research group presenting their findings Monday, said this
generation - which has come to rely on brand names and flexible options
when they shop - will become increasingly vocal about what they want
from managed care.

"This new consumer is a pretty empowered person," said Wendy Everett,
director of a study commissioned by the Robert Wood Johnson
Foundation.

"They've got money, resources and the ability to make decisions that ten
years ago we just didn't have. That allows them to become much more
demanding, much more mobile when it comes to having health plans to
choose from."

The U.S. population of people age 65 and older has grown from about 25
million in 1980 to about 35 million today. It's projected to rise sharply
beginning in 2010, from 40 million that year to 70 million just 20 years
later, the report says.

An estimated 28 percent of the U.S. population is temporarily or
consistently uninsured. Another 34 percent have low job security and are
in managed care plans paid by employers who may not guarantee
retirement benefits or are trying to reduce them. The remaining 38 percent
are in more secure jobs with managed care or fee-for service plans.

Many members of these groups will have discretionary incomes of
$50,000 or more, at least a year of college under their belts and Internet
proficiency, the report says, making them a powerful market influence.

"For the first time in our country's history, the majority will have ... critical
thinking skills," Ms. Everett said.

Money - not legislative policy changes - is likely to do much of the talking
as employers pass onto baby boomers moving into their 50s more health
care costs, reducing their premium contributions and restricting the benefits
they offer, Ms. Everett said.

These "pushy baby boomers" will demand accountability: more benefits
security, flexibility and coverage in their plans, the report says.

Another likely result of baby boomers' skepticism is provider report cards
like those on health plans that are currently accessible to 10 to 15 percent
of all consumers. That number should increase, with about 50 percent of all
consumers being able to get information on plan quality by 2010 - with the
Internet key sources of their information - the report says.

"The market is pretty sensitive to supply and demand," Everett said. "It's
the stuff that the retail world has been doing forever. They're open on
Thursday night, they're open on the weekend. Health care has to do that.

Until 2010, when the first of the baby boomers hit 65, change will be
incremental. But after that, be prepared for a major consumer revolution,
Ms. Everett said.

"Pushy baby boomers are not willing to wait," she said. "If they don't get
what they want, they're going to walk to another provider. ... The health
plans that have figured out how to meet these consumers' wishes are gong
to be extremely successful."



To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (123)1/11/1999 9:14:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Respond to of 178
 
Oil jumps on winter demand, grains lower
06:58 p.m Jan 11, 1999 Eastern

NEW YORK, Jan 11 (Reuters) - Winter weather in the
northern United States bolstered oil and hog prices on
Monday as traders keyed off supply bottlenecks due to
ice and snow.

In other commodity markets, grain markets fell on
farmer sales and ahead of government crop estimates
due on Tuesday. Gold and silver prices closed firm as
the dollar sagged.

At the New York Mercantile Exchange, heating oil
prices led a surge in prices as a new snowstorm
sweeping through the upper Midwest is expected to
dump up to six more inches of snow this week on the
Northeast, the top U.S. heating oil consumer.

Heating oil for February delivery closed 1.32 cents a
gallon higher at 37.43 cents, with February gasoline
closing 0.96 cent a gallon higher at 39.15 cents.
February crude rose 37 cents to $13.44 a barrel.

Winter storms that have lashed the United States since
the start of the year have bolstered sentiments of oil
traders battered by months of swollen world oil
supplies. Crude oil hit 12-year lows last month on a
lack of success by oil exporters in cutting back their
shipments.

Last week, a huge 15-million-barrel year-end
drawdown in U.S.

crude oil stocks was reported for the week ended
January 1, encouraging speculators to buy. But analysts
said the drawdown reflected artificial demand that was
a function of tax needs.

''As the normal pattern restores these stocks during
January, we anticipate profit-taking tomorrow ahead of
the data,'' said Tim Evans, analyst at Pegasus
Econometrics Group, referring to Tuesday's weekly
report on oil stocks and usage by the American
Petroleum Institute, an industry group.

A warming trend was forecast by the end of the week.
Still, the storms helped to support pork prices, which
continued to soar as icy roads and cold weather made it
harder for farmers to market hogs in Iowa and
Minnesota. Packer profitability has also soared.

At the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, February lean
hogs closed up the daily 2.00-cent-per-pound trading
limit at 39.200 cents, while February pork bellies rose
the 3.00-cent-per-pound trading limit to 52.225 cents.

Cash prices remained strong as packers bid higher to
obtain hogs. The pork carcass ''cutout'' value, the
dollar return for processors in selling pork cuts, rose
another $2.41 per hundred pounds to $48.50 on
Friday, up $8 since the start of the year.

Wintry weather had lifted corn prices last Friday, but
the markets tumbled on Monday after merchandisers
reported brisk sales of grain by farmers at country
elevators. The Agriculture Department will issue
estimates of grain production and stocks on Tuesday,
prompting some cautious sales.

March corn closed 2 cents lower at $2.19-3/4, March
soybeans 7-3/4 cents a bushel lower at $5.42-1/4 and
March wheat 5-1/2 cents lower at $2.85-3/4.

Gold and silver prices ended higher, partly on weakness
in the U.S. dollar, which slid to a 28-month low against
the Japanese yen. Stronger foreign currencies against
the dollar make dollar-denominated metals more
attractive overseas.

''Some of the recovery in gold prices in recent days has
been driven by the slump in the dollar against the yen
and other currencies, as the stronger yen makes it
cheaper to import gold into Japan, and because the
weaker dollar encourages some diversification away
from paper financial assets and into hard assets,'' said
James Steel, an analyst with Refco in New York.

February gold at COMEX ended up $1.60 at $293.60
an ounce, after seeing a three-week high for the
contract at $294.30. March silver ended up 6.70 cents
at $5.355 an ounce, after seeing a 3-1/2-month high at
$5.385.

((Chicago commodities desk(312)408-8720,
chicago.commods.newsroom+reuters.com))

Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited.



To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (123)1/17/1999 11:10:00 AM
From: Alan Whirlwind  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 178
 
Hey Bobby,

These threads have been lacking without your input as of late.

I thought you might be interested in some commodity prices prevalent the first year I was born (circa 1956/1957):

Postage stamp: .03
Pound of bread: .19
Quart of milk: .25
Gasoline: .31
Automobile $2,878.00
Minumum wage: $1.00
Median family
Income: $4,971.00



To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (123)1/18/1999 6:58:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 178
 
Pork glut
Farmers and packers at cross purposes

Last Update: 7:08 PM ET Jan 16, 1999

AUSTIN, Minn. (AP) -- While hog farmers across
the country are suffering from the lowest prices in
four decades because of a pork glut, business is on
the upswing at meat-packing plants.

Austin-based Hormel (HRL) slaughters 32,000
hogs a day at its plants in Austin; Fremont, Neb.;
and Rochelle, Ill., for use in about half of its 6,400
branded products, which include Spam, Cure 81
ham and Black Label bacon.

''It's either been good for [producers] and bad for
us, or good for us and bad for them,'' said Brian
Stevens, Hormel's manager of pork procurement.

''It's no secret that for the first time in several years
pork packers have been making money,'' said Gary
Mickelson, a spokesman for IBP Inc., the country's
second-largest hog slaughterer in 1997. IBP, based
in Dakota City, Neb., slaughtered about 65,900
hogs a day in 1997 and is the world's leading
producer of fresh beef and pork.

Stories of struggling farmers have the government looking at pricing
practices in the industry. Packers say oversupply is to blame for the low
prices, and free-market forces will eventually even out the imbalance.

While they are profiting now, they say it's part of the cyclical nature of the
business.

''Our industry has gone from one extreme to the other,'' Mickelson said.

In 1996 and 1997, there was more packer capacity than there were hogs.

Prices were up and many packers lost money. Meanwhile, pork farmers
were expanding their business.

Now, there are too many hogs, and packers are working overtime to
keep up, slaughtering more than 2 million head a week nationally in
December.

The situation was caused by an increase in hog production domestically,
an increase in hogs imported from Canada and the closing of several
slaughter plants in the last couple of years.

''This is not good for anybody,'' said Jens Knutson, chief economist at the
American Meat Institute, a trade association that represents meat packers
and processors. ''We rely on these producers for our livelihood.''

Packers point out one protection farmers can get for themselves:
long-term, risk-sharing contracts with the packers that stabilize prices.

Hormel buys about half its hogs that way. The contract runs from about
five to 10 years and pays the farmer a price based on the price of corn
and soybeans and the market price for hogs. Farmers typically won't get
the top price when the market is high, but they're shielded from the very
low prices, too.

While Hormel buys half its hogs at the open-market price, which averaged
$30 per hundredweight last week, the company paid $39.80 per
hundredweight last week to contract producers. The contract price
changes weekly.

Last year the food company earned a record $139.3 million, but that
would have been higher without contracts, officials said.

The federal government is looking at ways to help hog producers, and
U.S. Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman has asked for an investigation
into possible price-fixing in the pork industry. About 60 percent of the
country's meat packing is controlled by six companies.

Steve Cohen, a spokesman for the National Pork Producers Council, said
the organization is ''not out to be finger-pointers'' by blaming anyone for
the situation. ''We've always said capacity has caused the problem -- the
loss of packing capacity.''
cbs.marketwatch.com



To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (123)2/10/1999 7:51:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Respond to of 178
 
Congress Knocks Kosovo-Troops Plan

Wednesday, 10 February 1999
W A S H I N G T O N (AP)

THE CLINTON administration asserted it doesn't need congressional
approval to send troops to Kosovo, but the possible deployment drew
fresh attacks Wednesday from lawmakers weary of spending billions on
Bosnia.

"I'm concerned about the constitutional process and whether it's a vital
national interest to devote such a large portion of our military capabilities to
keeping the peace at two places in the Balkans," Rep. Doug Bereuter,
R-Neb., told administration witnesses at a House International Relations
Committee hearing.

As rival factions continued to negotiate near Paris, the administration was
finding its proposal to send up to 4,000 U.S. troops to the southern
Serbian province becoming a hard sell on Capitol Hill.

Thomas Pickering, undersecretary of state for political affairs, conceded
the controversy but told the panel: "NATO's credibility as the guarantor of
peace in Europe is at stake."

He insisted that no final decision had been made and that there would be
no U.S. ground presence in Kosovo in the absence of a peace agreement
between the Serbs and the province's Albanian-speaking majority.

Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott told reporters, meanwhile, that
President Clinton also was pondering the use of civilian monitors now in
Kosovo and backing them up with air and sea power "just over the
horizon."

Committee Chairman Benjamin Gilman, R-N.Y., suggested the current
draft peace accord for Kosovo was "no more than a holding action."

"Such solutions do not eliminate the underlying problem; they promise to
drag on indefinitely, at high cost to our own nation," said Gilman. He said
the real problem was the continued reign of terror of Yugoslav President
Slobodan Milosevic.

NATO generals are working on plans to dispatch 25,000 to 30,000
troops to Kosovo, including up to 4,000 Americans, to enforce any
agreement. About 6,900 U.S. troops are in nearby Bosnia.

The peace talks in Rambouillet, France, are "off to a good start," Pickering
said. But with no solid agreements after three days, "we are under no
illusions. The task ahead is a challenging one."

The warring parties were pushed to the table by the threat of NATO
attacks.

Talbott raised anew the threat of a NATO bombardment if the Serbs
refuse to reach a settlement granting maximum self-rule to the ethnic
Albanians in Kosovo.

However, Talbott told reporters at an Overseas Writers Club luncheon
that the United States would not support an Albanian demand for a
referendum on statehood at the end of the three-year period of self-rule
envisioned in the formula on the negotiating table.

And if NATO bombs the Serbs, it would be to try to make Milosevic
keep his promises to withdraw most of the Serbian troops and special
police units out of the province - not to dismember Yugoslavia, Talbott
said. While Belgrade has lost its authority in the province, Talbott said, it
has not lost its sovereignty there.

Several International Relations Committee Republicans suggested Clinton
could not send troops to Kosovo under the war powers provision of the
Constitution without first getting congressional consent. But Pickering
disputed this. "There is ample constitutional precedent for this type of
action," Pickering said.

Retorted Rep. Tom Campbell, R-Calif: "Previous constitutional violations
do not justify subsequent ones."

Other lawmakers noted that Congress would have the ultimate say,
regardless, because funds for sending troops to Kosovo would have to be
appropriated.

"So in some ways, of course, almost everything the commander in chief
does, particularly if it relies on finances, sooner or later comes to roost
back here," said Sen. Mark Sanford, R-S.C.

"I was not arguing that the Congress had no role," Pickering said.

Undersecretary of Defense Walter Slocombe told the panel: "Nobody
wants to send American troops to do jobs like this, but there sometimes
comes a point where that is much better than letting the situation
deteriorate further."

But committee members of both parties seemed skeptical, particularly in
light of the fact that the Bosnia deployment has dragged on now for more
than three years - at a cost of about $20 billion - despite original
administration assertions that U.S. troops would be out in one year.

"We are indeed going into a second Bosnia," said Rep. Pat Danner,
D-Mo.

And Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., said he believed the policy
advanced by Clinton was "nonsensical. ... We may end up bombing both
sides. Now, isn't that ridiculous?"



To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (123)3/21/1999 8:48:00 AM
From: Bobby Yellin  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 178
 
I didn't think about this type of war re grain grain elevators etc
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