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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill Grant who wrote (27263)	1/12/1999 3:23:00 PM
From: Charles Hughes	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<< Just whose DOJ is it anyway? >> In this case control of the DOJ assets, power, and budget belongs the Republicans and Starr, since they decide how long his mandate and budget run. Starr gets paid by the DOJ, right? The Republicans have the power of the federal budget behind them, while Clinton is millions in debt from legal fees. As do his staffers and friends. They are being crushed under the government wheels of the Starr investigation. No question Clinton is the little guy here, and Starr a government beaurocrat operating with impunity and my tax dollars. << And if there wasn't probable cause.. >> No normal rules of evidence, procedure, or relevance are being applied here by the Republicans. Nor is Clinton being given the usual presumption of innocence or any of the other usual trappings of english common law. To have probable cause someone has to have already at least been willing to detail a charge in an articulate way, something the Republicans even at this stage seem unwilling to do. But that's not what all this is about. It's not about lying, and originally, it wasn't even about sex. What it's about is winning. All this is about is you guys have wanted for 6 years to burn the 'liberals' (whoever isn't you is a liberal) at the stake, and here you found a way to get your claws into the leader with a sex trap, after years of attempts to get him some other way. You couldn't get him with the financial stuff, you couldn't get him with the trumped-up murder accusations, you couldn't get him on procedural issues like filegate and travelgate. So now you've got the sex. And you've done some damage. Congrats. But lets not pretend this has anything to do with concepts like due process. In fact, by the time this is all over Starr may have been punished for lack of due process. He has his own court case going on, currently under seal so it doesn't affect the impeachment, which in itself is a Republican victory. (You think if Starr is eventually convicted of illegal procedure that the impeachment will be reversed? Interesting note here - prosecutors often frame suspects, but seldom or never get convicted for that. Starr may be the first to find impunity in this regard was unwise. May I say, because he could be found innocent by the court.) What this is about at the root is that the religious right doesn't like the emergence of an alternative moral and ethical authority or philosophy. This transition to what the RR calls 'secular humanism', a label which we have now accepted as it seems to fit, has been under way for hundreds of years, driven by modern science and philosophical events, and what is going on here is just another footnote in that war. However this battle goes, the RR is going to lose the war, because secular humanism has a psychological, social, and scientific evidentiary basis. Whereas the RR has as it's foundation superstition, envy, foot-dragging, and hate. But while your kind won in Iran (the Ayatollahs), you won't win in the West. Ever notice how old the RR icons are? Falwell looks like his face is ready to fall off. Buckley has turkey neck over 100% of his face. Your leadership is dying and not being replaced. For good reason. After a few years, elections may well be fought between the Democrats and a new party, with the Republicans a remote third.