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To: Spots who wrote (5046)	1/15/1999 9:05:00 AM
From: Clarence Dodge	Respond to of 14778

Spots Looks like another fabulously informative and kindly generous post from you and I thank you. I have to go out and snowblow the driveway now and will give your post a serious study when I get in......... Thanks Clarence

To: Spots who wrote (5046)	1/15/1999 8:45:00 PM
From: Clarence Dodge	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14778

Spots serious consideration I like your backup NT on the w98 drive idea alot, especially since you've supplied such nicely explicite instructions. I actually understood it all on the first read. Thats a good feeling, not to have to struggle to understand multi-drive/duel OS isssues. Another reason I like it is that it's doable for me and will give me another layer of disaster protection along with the DI clone of NT. I have a question about how to use your second NT install in relation to the DI clone of NT also on the w98 drive. My thinking is as follows. If problems were to develope in the primary NT install ( on the primary drive) I would first use or attempt to use the DI clone to restore a functional NT onto the primary drive because it will be a more updated version of the complete NT environment complete with apps data etc etc. Whereas the backup NT would just be the OS alone. I would then fall back on the backup NT only if the DI clone failed to work for some reason. It's always there as long as w98 drive is functioning. Is this your understanding also of what position a backup NT would have in relation to the DI clone ? I hope ZP jumps in with his reactions as well. Clarence

To: Spots who wrote (5046)	1/15/1999 9:46:00 PM
From: Zeuspaul	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 14778

Big Boy Partitions Spots and Clarence Shrink the Fat32 partition down to a smallish FAT16 partition, which will be the first primary partition on the D drive. It's already a primary partition because Win 98 can boot from it. I'll explain smallish in a minute. It sounds like Clarence has a 1 gig FAT 32 partition. I assume the rest of the drive is free space. A 500 MB first partition makes sense to me but so does a 1 gig partition. If he has 1 gig followed by free space my inclination would be to not resize until a backup is created. I agree that Win98 'should' be an easy install and one should experience the process from time to time. However I would recommend a Drive Image or a cloned partition of the Win98 installation first (my conservative nature). My reasoning is it is easy to do so why not? It will save some time if something should go wrong. I always cross my fingers when I do a resize or a reformat..so far it has always worked. I would boot Win98 and install Partition Magic in Win98. Then I would execute Partition Magic from a Win98 boot. Then copy the C (Win98) partition to the free space on the Win98 drive. I would select free space at the end of the drive..no good reason but it has to go somewhere. Then convert the clone from FAT32 to FAT16. Then resize the cloned partition to 500 MB. Then use the label option to give the volume a name ORG98 for example or 15JAN99(8 letters or numbers) Now verify the partition is hidden as one can not have two active partitions on the same drive unless one is hidden. At this point I would do a little checking. Exit Partition Magic and reboot without entering bios. Nothing should change..Win98 should work as it did before. You will not see the partition in Windows explorer. More checking and learning/experiencing Partition Magic.. Execute Partition Magic again from Win98. Hide the the C (first Win98 partition) and unhide the cloned FAT16 Win98 partition. Then in advanced properties set the clone to active. Now boot and you should be booting from the 500 MB clone..verify in Windows explorer by volume name..you can also check size and format by right clicking on the C drive and checking properties. Then execute Partition Magic and hide the clone and unhide and set active the first Win98 installation. Reboot to verify everything is back as it was before you started. You now have a working clone that can be activated from the primary NT OS. With the backup proceed with Spot's instructions ie execute Partition Magic and reformat the first Win98 partition from FAT32 to FAT16 and resize to 500 MB or 1 gig. Once the Win98 partition is the way you like it I would make a compressed Drive Image of it. Then proceed with Spot's instructions ie install NT on the same partition as Win98. If something goes wrong there will be two options to restore. 1. execute Partition Magic to unhide the cloned Win98 partition. or 2. Use Drive Image to restore the Image file. I would suggest you reboot the original NT (from the NTFS drive) and use the NT disk manager to make the partitions. Spot's, Is there a difference in the end result? or is the difference related to the learning curve? Clarence, I do not think my comments alter Spot's recommendations. I am proposing a backup of the original Win98 install coupled with some Partition Magic experience. I would feel more comfortable if you had a backup of your original installations. Spot's has more guts than I do..and/or more confidence in his ability to install and maintain an operating system. I believe one should have both capabilities. The knowledge to fix the little things that go awry and the ability to hit it with a sledge hammer to get it working again. BTW, three boxes arrived today! One from buyz.com looks like a SuperMicro case..a bundle from Mushkin and Maxtor 17 GB from TJT. I hope Dave is right about the size. I have never had a harddrive that is too big before. I also received email from Minotaur. They processed an order for CDROM and floppy and shipped yesterday. I am having second thoughts about the ABIT mobo. I want SCSI and perhaps should have followed in Clarence's footsteps with the AOPEN onboard SCSI mobo..found the boot target ID yet Clarence?? Zeuspaul

To: Spots who wrote (5046)	1/15/1999 11:12:00 PM
From: Zeuspaul	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14778

Now boot Win 98 from the bios, making the FAT16 partition the C drive, and install a fresh version of NT ONTO THE FAT16 PARTITION Will an NT installation go where it is told? Or will it seek out (interpret the Primary Master as C) the drive on the Primary Master IDE channel? Maybe the Win98 installation problems WRT to installing on a second drive are related to booting from floppy as you surmised before. If NT is installed with a boot from floppy will it interpret the Primary Master as C if the bios has the "D" drive first in the boot sequence? Is it necessary/prudent to recable and show NT one drive for installations {EDIT.. if one is installing to a drive other than Primary Master} ? Zeuspaul