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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (28298)	1/15/1999 9:34:00 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Hi Danny boy! An impeachment and trial by the Senate is NOT a Court of law. It is a uniquely political process governed by the Constitution and the rules of the House and Senate. The Senators will decide if the facts as proven (and the facts prove overwhelmingly that perjury was committed and obstruction is likely) warrant Bubba's removal from office. The facts may be redundant but the process must be observed and respected unless of course the Senators feel as you do that King Clinton is above the law. JLA

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (28298)	1/15/1999 9:44:00 PM
From: Ish	Respond to of 67261

<<I'm sure you're always willing to engage in friendly debate with people who agree with you that Clinton is the antichrist. >> Get off it cheesehead, I'm not big into prophecy but I have heard the Antichrist will be very smart, not a gumbagh that waves his finger on TV and lies. That's on TV, A&E channel. While we're at it, what is the deal with Richard Scaife? Does he owe you money or something? You mention him about every other post. He doesn't have a porn magazine or post bounties. Your post- <<. We know Mr. Clinton lied with persistence. We know he coached others to cover up for him. >> That's the problem.

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (28298)	1/15/1999 11:05:00 PM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

From the Rodino report on impeachment of 1974, telling us what is impeachable. "A great variety of circumstances.. which do not properly belong to the judicial character in the ordinary administration of justice and are far removed from the reach of municipal jurisprudence." I might add that The term HIGH in the phrase high crimes refers to the HIGH office held by the perp. There never did exist any legal references to HIGH or LOW crimes in any other sense. The term Misdemeanor did not mean a crime at all. It meant bad demeanor/behavior, and the history of that meaning goes way back into the 1300's. In essence, the founding fathers gave us the means to remove a President simply for bad behavior- or for anything at all that makes us feel he just needs to Go. For instance, if the President became publicly drunk on a daily basis and spouted blasphemous obcenities regularly, to the great dismay and disgust of of all, that would indeed be impeachable; our Constitution made it that way and justifiably so. We do have him having sex with a 21 year old unpaid intern in violation of his own sexual harrassment laws. Yes, sex- that's why the term oral sex includes the word sex. It's sex- and it's what Jones accused him of asking her for- oral sex. It was relevant testimony that Clinton withheld in the Jones case, and it has been ruled so by a Federal appeals court since the withheld evidence has come out. We have a legal crime- perjury- committed in a High office. A really disgusting crime commited by the holder of the highest office against a citizen(s). He has spent years now dragging this out, putting us all through this- just to protect his own selfish interests- instead of admitting to his true activities when caught- like a man- and accepting the consequences- he choose to lie and slander anyone making claims against him so long as he possibly could in every case; he, the president, who as such must know his actions may affect the whole country. Now he has taken his false denials and cover-up of his true nature into court and attempted to legally destroy a citizens case. He needs to go. Why do you think his own just retired Press Secretary states he is unfit for the office he holds? Much of the above, I'm sure. Clinton is a very selfish man. By the Constitution he can legally be impeached for wagging his finger alone and telling that lie alone. After all, the result of that finger wagging was and is predictably what we are going through today. But he is a selfish man. Quoting from the article you posted from the NYTIMES-- "To justify removal, the prosecutors have to show some fundamental harm to the security interests or stability of the state or some attempt to undermine the Constitution."-- Sorry, but it just ain't so. Although, this disruptive public display we are now engaged in is certainly potentially affecting the business of the country, just as Democrats have argued a long trial with witnesses in the Senate would do. But it is Clintons failure to act/testify honestly and unselfhishly that has brought us here- no matter WHO the messanger was/is. HE is the guilty party who denied all. HE alone could have assured the country didn't have to go through all of this. Sigh...what a pity.