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Strategies & Market Trends : Floorless Preferred Stock/Debenture -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Ben Suntag who wrote (235)1/19/1999 1:32:00 PM
From: Dale Baker  Respond to of 1438
 
I haven't researched CNC, but it is very unlikely that a prosperous major company like them would ever need to turn to floorless convertibles. Floorless convertibles are for companies whose business is so bad that they can't obtain legitimate financing.



To: Ben Suntag who wrote (235)1/19/1999 1:37:00 PM
From: Mama Bear  Respond to of 1438
 
Ben, most floorless preferreds are issued to companies that can't get financing elsewhere. Without looking I can say it's very unlikely that CNC-T would use such an instrument. I have never heard of one that actually pays dividends, nor one that trades on one of the open market. They are instruments that are held by offshore investors and less than honorable folks who care only for a buck. When you look at the filing, if there is a fixed price at which the conversion occurs. E.g. you can convert them into shares at 75 or 100. Floorless instruments are convertible at an unfixed price. The language is something like "at 80% of the average closing bid for the 20 trading days preceeding conversion".

It might be better to check these thing before you decide to buy.

Barb



To: Ben Suntag who wrote (235)1/20/1999 3:59:00 AM
From: David C. Burns  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1438
 
Ben,

Most of the followers of this thread have focused on the hiding that the common holders take in these situations. I haven't seen any discussion about the potential risks to a preferred holder who isn't in on the scam.

Zeev, can you comment on triggering events and timing that Ben would need to be attentive to (assuming that a death spiral was initiated) as well as any other risks on the preferred side.

David