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To: Dave Hanson who wrote (5378)1/20/1999 12:00:00 PM
From: Dave Hanson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14778
 
Excerpts from WSJ piece on onsale.com and buy.com

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Entire article at interactive.wsj.com


January 19, 1999
Tech Center
Web Seller Asks: How Low Can
Personal-Computer Prices Go?
By GEORGE ANDERS
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Tuesday, Onsale Inc., Menlo Park, Calif., is said it would start selling new personal computers and accessories to the public -- at the same wholesale price it pays for them. Onsale says it is gambling that revenue from advertising on its Web site (www.onsale.com1), fees for service contracts and leases, plus a nominal handling fee per order, will leave it with a small operating margin. The company says it doesn't expect to make a profit from marking up prices to consumers.

Meanwhile, aggressive distributors such as Ingram Micro Inc. have bought minority stakes in online merchants and are helping them sell directly to the public. In Ingram's case, its online ally, Buy.com Inc., also is sidestepping traditional retailers and other resellers to reach the consumer directly, at prices that are sometimes above cost and sometimes below.

'Inherently More Efficient'

Onsale's initiative, though, may be the nerviest attempt yet to rewrite the rules of PC selling. "We're not going to put stores out of business," says Jerry Kaplan, Onsale's president and chief executive officer. "But we think the Internet creates a new form of retailing that is inherently more efficient. We want to take that to its logical extreme."

To get merchandise, Onsale has signed a one-year supply agreement with Tech Data Corp., a Clearwater, Fla., PC distributor with about $12 billion in revenue. Onsale will take orders on its Web site and arrange billing by credit card. Tech Data will ship goods from warehouses in at least four states. Consumers will pay Onsale's wholesale cost as well as standard shipping charges, a 2.6% credit-card processing fee and a nominal handling charge to cover certain operating expenses -- say, $5 to $10 per order.

For traditional resellers who buy from distributors and mark up prices without offering much in the way of special service, Onsale's willingness to do business at cost "is clearly a challenge," says Anthony Ibarguen, president of Tech Data.

Mr. Ibarguen says he is bullish enough about the future of Internet commerce that he wanted to do the Onsale transaction even if it jolts some of his existing customers. Resellers who want to charge premium prices will need to offer special services, he says. Besides, he suggests, maybe his company's alliance with Onsale "will encourage others to automate their order process with the Internet."

With its Tech Data contract, Onsale plans to sell 31,000 new products at sizable discounts from the manufacturers' list prices. For example, it will offer 3Com Corp.'s Palm III hand-held computer at $269.47 and a Hewlett-Packard OfficeJet Pro 1170C color inkjet printer for $685.90. By contrast, 3Com on its Web site sells the Palm III for $369. H-P sells a slightly upgraded version of the same printer for $799.

As of Monday afternoon, Onsale's prices beat any rival offers listed on shopper.com (www.shopper.com2), a comparison price-shopping service run by Cnet Inc.

PC-industry manufacturers say they will watch Onsale's experiment with keen interest. But they aren't likely to take sides in the ensuing tussle as long as their own pricing doesn't suffer. "Our strategy is to sell wherever our customers want to buy," says Shen Li, director of consumer channels at Hewlett-Packard. "As long as they protect the H-P brand, we don't play preferences for one sales channel over another."

Pricing Below Cost

At Onsale, officials acknowledge that even with their Tech Data contract, they won't always be the vendor with the lowest price. Intensifying competition over the Internet has led some vendors, like Buy.com, to price products below cost at times in hopes of recouping losses on other orders or ad revenue.

Onsale, for example, plans to sell a 17-inch color monitor made by Sony Corp. for $331.79, while Buy.com offers the same model for $306.95. Onsale also plans to sell a top-of-the-line ThinkPad laptop computer made by International Business Machines Corp. for $4,490. The same machine was available Monday from the Web site of LA Computer Center Inc. (www.lacc.com3) for $4,415.

Onsale's Mr. Kaplan says he hopes his company's consistently low prices will attract steady customers, particularly at small businesses needing a wide range of products. If other vendors try to undercut his prices consistently, he asserts, "that won't be sustainable. No one can stake a business on negative margins."

Hyperlinks in this Article:
(1) onsale.com
(2) shopper.com
(3) lacc.com

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To: Dave Hanson who wrote (5378)1/20/1999 8:19:00 PM
From: Clarence Dodge  Respond to of 14778
 
Dave

I find that shopper.com does a much better (more comprehensive, more current,
etc.) a job of ranking highly specific retail items (like your monitor) than pricewatch.
Pricewatch, OTOH, generally does better with true commodity items like RAM and CPUs, as
well as OEM items.


Thats very interesting. I haven't used shopper.com much. I think I had some problems loading their site awhile back and never returned although I will now.

I think my query to pricewatch was '21'' monitors' and thats how i noticed the lack of buy.com listings.

Some have praised killerap on this thread, but I don't find it as useful as these other two
I agree......at least compared to pricewatch in my case

make their cut on the on-site advertising (which, IMHO, is done pretty
un-obnoxiously)


Agree again......its a well designed site in general. Their profit approach is to be commended from a consumers standpoint.

Clarence



To: Dave Hanson who wrote (5378)1/21/1999 11:04:00 AM
From: Dave Hanson  Respond to of 14778
 
From ESC: Abit, Asus and Aopen = low return rates

whatisnew.com :

The ASUS P2B, AOpen AX6B, and ABIT BH6 motherboards have low return rates.  We rarely find products that arrive from these manufacturers as dead or have damaged components.  Clients are pleased with these motherboards.  The Celeron 400 MHz, Pentium II 350 and above are excellent processors for these boards.  The ASUS P5A and Epox MVP3G-M work well and are approved by AMD to work with the AMD K6/2 350 MHz and 400 MHz.  These boards have passed AMD's tests.  These board have proper voltage requirements to run these processors.  Intel's N440BX motherboard is the only entry level server motherboard that we offer.  It is possible to use other BX boards as servers.   We are very timid with SCSI devices.

Most technical support issues can be resolved with a good power supply and the right RAM.  Crucial Technologies, Corsair Memory, and Advantage memory are the top brands in the industry.  YY is the fifth largest case manufacturer and they own a percentage of Seventeam.  Procase manufactures cases with features that allow for future expansion and cooling.



To: Dave Hanson who wrote (5378)1/21/1999 11:09:00 AM
From: Dave Hanson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14778
 
Thread: advice on a cordless mouse/keyboard with decent range?

I'm thinking about picking up a cordless keyboard/mouse combo for use in the living room. I need something with a range of at least 15 feet. Any advice or experiences welcome.



To: Dave Hanson who wrote (5378)1/21/1999 7:23:00 PM
From: Clarence Dodge  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14778
 
Dave
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe your running a G200 vid under your wNT primary OS. If thats the case maybe you could help me with the g200 driver question I posted last nite.

Basically, in Devices I'm showing mga Disabled, mga_mil Disabled, and mga64 Started in System. Is mga64 the latest driver from Matrox? I dnldd the latest to my desktop but maybe it was installed as well.

I don't believe my g200 is being used since MGA properties as a tab in display properties or as a
separate choice when right-clicking the desktop is not there which Spots said indicates g200 driver is not installed. I'm afraid to start mga or mga_mil without knowing what repercussions would be.

As you can see, I'm totally confused.. can you straighten me out?

Clarence