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To: FMK who wrote (7311)1/21/1999 11:30:00 PM
From: I. N. Vester  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 27311
 
the matsushita announcement may be BS

check out www.eetimes.com and look for the article
which discusses the battery with the claim 'went
into production on 1/20/99'. In that article you
will find a link to a 12/08/98 article by the same
author, Yoshiko Hara.

the 12/08 article cites a Matsushita spokesperson
as saying that they plan to start shipping li-poly
batteries in april but no dates for volume production.
"nothing has been decided yet. generally speaking,
it takes from 1/2 to 1 year from the supply of samples
to volume production. unless we get 100 customers
we don't begin volume production".

So we have a direct quote from a Matsushita spokes-
person just 1 month ago telling us that they will
start sampling in April. Yet today they tell us
they began volume production.

I've stated this before, but my company has done
business in Japan for years and I myself have lived
and worked there for eight years. These kinds of
press releases mean far, far less over there than
they do here.

Lev is scared to admit to anything except to earnings
once the money starts flowing in, but the Japanese,
the Koreans, etc can make just about any claim they
want with impunity, and they very often do announce
products which exist only in an engineer's head.

It is very possible that 'volume production' means
that they have just begun with their first machine
runs and have sent out samples (the article says
they have sent samples to 10 customers).

If they have not in fact produced in volume, then
they may be 1 year or more away from volume
production. The entire announcement could be
an attempt to try to start competing with vlnc
even tho they don't have production going.
Many Japanese companies have demonstrated
exactly that kind of competitive strategy, in the
past, with both domestic and foreign competitors.

There is just no way of knowing what the reality is,
but I think the 12/08 quote from the Matsushita
spokesperson gives us a very strong hint that
the 1/20 'volume production' announcement is
probably pure BS. Again, this is a very
typical strategy in a country where lawyers
need not be consulted before every press
release, and the art of 'creative' PR
announcements has honoured tradition.




To: FMK who wrote (7311)1/21/1999 11:40:00 PM
From: P. Ramamoorthy  Respond to of 27311
 
FMK - Re.:"...Matsushita's intended 300,000 per month seems equivalent to what Valence might have done last year with their small pilot line in Henderson. A year later, just one of Valence's high speed lines should be able to turn out Matsushita's "intended" monthly output in just 3 or 4 days, leaving another 26 or so days per month to make other products that were higher watt-hour..."

With this 8:1 production rate advantage, VLNC can dump their batteries and grab the market share, ruthlessly speaking. It's a possibility, if the above is confirmed. Ram



To: FMK who wrote (7311)1/22/1999 1:59:00 AM
From: Larry Brubaker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27311
 
100,000 batteries per line per day? 6 lines? $875 stock price?

Fred, you are getting so far into out into that cow pasture you are going to have a hard time finding your way home. Maybe I should get you a cow bell?

As a reality check, 100,000 batteries/line/day X 250 days/year X 6 lines = 150 million batteries per year. This amount far exceeds the combined annual market for cell phones and laptops.

Maybe you should first worry about how VLNC will pay for one line, before you worry about VLNC commanding more than the entire world market for high performance secondary batteries.

I assume the reason Klockner filed suit against VLNC is because VLNC didn't bother to pay them for that line. Maybe your inside sources could fill us in on the status of Klockner vs. VLNC?



To: FMK who wrote (7311)1/22/1999 3:50:00 AM
From: Jay Lowe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27311
 
>> $875 share price, just from six Valence production lines!

You forgot to account for depreciation, taxes, and employee Christmas bonuses.