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To: Grainne who wrote (28733)	1/22/1999 4:31:00 AM
From: nihil	Respond to of 108807

Abortion was perfectly legal in many states before Roe v Wade -- e.g. Hawaii.

To: Grainne who wrote (28733)	1/22/1999 10:43:00 AM
From: nihil	Respond to of 108807

Poor people's abortions World wide, I think it is true that proportionately more poor women get abortions than richer ones. I had students working in birth control education in one LDC and they found that the most common reason for women not to practice birth control was the husband's opposition, and the reason husbands who were supportive or willing, was economic advancement of the family by educating the children they did have, so there were proportionately more unwanted pregnancies among the poor. Unwanted pregnancies seemed causative of abortion, so more poor women were at risk. I believe similar studies in US show the same thing. It is primarily among urban poor women that most of the clinics and programs operate through out the world, so still today, many women have no access to birth control yet have access to traditional abortifacients, or can for a few hours wages go to town and have an abortion if they hve to. Studies in Bangkok 20 years ago showed that women offered sterilization in the major lying in hospital showed high acceptance even on the second birth. (I seem to remember they didn't ask primaparturients (many were Caesarian candidates, and the surgeons tried for combo-s -- I recall the procedure cost the hospital about 300 baht ($15), nothing for the patient. Chula was (and may be still, I believe,) a real abortion factory and the biggest lying in hospital in the world. I've had a student (a graduate physician) lecture in my "external environment" MBA class about her prior job as abortion surgeon in China. Her description of the brutality and inhumanity reduced the class (and her and me) to tears. She brought were 13 year old daughter to class to hear her talk. She gave all the numbers, translations of the rules. The horror was almost palpable. She then explained the effects of population pressure in the country, especially the poor rural areas, the need for ruthless punishment of those who exceeded guidelines, the need for a zero tolerance enforcement if control was work at all. Altogether, the most harrowing class I ever been in, except the "classification clinic" in which dozens of youths were sentenced to forced sterilization because of "mental deficiency" in Milledgeville State Hospital in Georgia in 1954 or 5. Several hundred medical, nursing and psychology students sat quiet, unprotesting, while these kids younger than us were condemned to surgical sterilization -- castration for the boys, no tying off vasa in those dark days.