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To: Smart Investor who wrote (3145)1/22/1999 4:12:00 PM
From: Boplicity  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 41369
 
YOu are dreaming man we had our sell off, it take more then the so called pundits to move the market now. I see next week as base building time.

Greg



To: Smart Investor who wrote (3145)1/22/1999 4:25:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit  Respond to of 41369
 
And here I thought that the main question was whether the sun would rise tomorrow morning. You know, we've had an unprecedented number of a.m. sun sightings. In fact, there has been a reputed 4.5 billion consecutive sunrises on this planet. How long can this string continue. Will tomorrow be the day.

CTC



To: Smart Investor who wrote (3145)1/22/1999 5:19:00 PM
From: musea  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 41369
 
Smart Investor,

I think (and perhaps you agree) that the main questions are first whether you believe in the viability of AOL as a company in the face of short-term volatility in its stock price and second whether you believe that the cash flow generated by its business operations will justify continued growth in its stock valuation.

I happen to think that the answer to both questions is a qualified "yes." In other words, the case is compelling enough to make a long-term investment and see. Whether you buy at 135 or 140 or whether the short-term bottom is 130 are not as important, IMHO.

Of course, if you are looking for short-term profit, your considerations will be different. I am still studying how to invest for the short term as well as the long term.

For the record, I am an AOL shareholder, having recently acquired shares at a split-adjusted $52.

-musea



To: Smart Investor who wrote (3145)1/23/1999 6:03:00 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea  Respond to of 41369
 
Smart Investor, Re:”Is Monday going to be Black Monday?” My honest answer is I don't know. Here is my best guess .
-The pundits have been yelling overvalued Internuts for months: I find it very suspicious that all of them fall at the same time and come back at the same time: Fri YHOO was up 7% when market was taking. Many “pundits” then mumbled, “ hey, look at that: that shows real strength “. Great vision.

-Let ME ( gg ) tell YOU ( gg ) WHAT the “ pundits are doing: Pundit Merrill Lynch has just installed in most of their offices Desktop PC Video-Television capability. For what you ask? So they can watch CNBC believe it or not !!! I think that this particular pundit's light bulb finally came on and realized they had a lot of irate customers screaming and yelling at ML's recommendations the past few years not to buy MSFT, DELL , the INTERNUTS and “ all such overpriced tech leaders “, the net result being a net loss of potential gains for these folks. So now they got CNBC on their PC and whenever Marie and Creamer and CO say “ hey looks like folks are buying this or that “, they can at least tell their clients what the hell is going on in the market and possibly allow the customer decide , sometimes at least, what the market is saying. After all it is very difficult to guess what the market is saying. Ask C.Clough, Merrill's chief investment strategist who's been bearish on the market for 1 ½ years and missed big time.
The market has spoken: CSchwab's capitalization is now equal to ML's.
Maybe the markets are wrong. Will see.

- I think that markets have been gyrating the last couple of weeks because some people think the sky is falling because Billy is getting creamed and only he can save us. Only he ( and the Dems ) can pull the wool over the Republican's eyes to raise taxes on you and me to bail out Korea, Thailand, Russia. And now Brazil, Argentina etc. etc. They may have a point: Left to their devices many Republicans have espoused the ides of sink or swim to this folks, as in, “ get ( clean ) your act together. Your mother doesn't live here any more “. So everybody on margin in the nation may justifiably have been scared stiff the last few weeks.

- My take is that any collapse of the world economy will only help slow down this USA behemoth's march to a long sustainable level, without inflation, nice and easy.

- The cream: the Internet and e-commerce is where the hot action will be while all else sort of cools down a little.

If AOL goes down I will throw some more money at it: a great buying opportunity.

Here is a take from Bus Week 12-28-98 P.110:
businessweek.com
TECH STOCKS: WILD, WOOLLY--AND PROFITABLE IN '99?
While volatile, they're likely to outrun the herd once again

DIZZYING P-E. Higher valuations aren't scaring away all investors, especially if the company is perceived as a market leader. One expensive stock many pros like is America Online Inc. At a mid-December price of $89 a share, AOL was selling at a dizzying 159 times expected earnings for the year ending in June, 1999. Paul T. Cook, co-manager of the Birmingham (Mich.)-based Munder NetNet fund, says the price is so high that ''nobody in their right mind would buy this stock unless they believed in the story.'' And he does believe it. ''They have a real opportunity to become a staple of the Internet, if they aren't already,'' he says.

Here is another , P 138:
businessweek.com

SWIMMING DOWNSTREAM WITH THE SHORTS
Emboldened short-sellers are betting that this is the year the bubbles will burst
The spectacular performance of Internet auction house eBay Inc. also has attracted shorts, who are betting against the stock because of its stratospheric valuation. Tice hasn't shorted eBay but expects that, at a recent share price of 230 times sales, he eventually will take a short position. Another noted short placed a bet against eBay at about 170 and has seen it climb 20 points higher since then. But this eBay-basher is unfazed, arguing that Internet stocks such as eBay are ''phenomenal shorts'' that will buckle if there is any economic weakness.
Wagering against stocks on the basis of valuation is a time-honored strategy--and often a very bad one. It has fallen flat for stocks such as America Online Inc., which has been shrugging off attacks from short-sellers for years. A sounder practice is to short stocks of companies that are not just overvalued but also have some fundamental weakness--a product, for example, that works far less well than investors may expect. Some biotech stocks, such as Biotime Inc., have been targeted by shorts on that basis, with varying results.

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I hope this helps,
Good luck,

TA




To: Smart Investor who wrote (3145)1/24/1999 2:07:00 AM
From: Tunica Albuginea  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 41369
 
Smart Investor: Part 2, Re: "? Black Monday ahead?". From the SF Gate. Positive for AOL and YHOO,
TA
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sfgate.com
Internet stocks may not have shaken out enough, analysts say

PATRICIA LAMIELL, AP Business Writer Friday, January 22, 1999


(01-22) 16:58 PST NEW YORK (AP) -- Investors sold Internet stocks this past week as feverishly as they had bought them for months, and the selloff wasn't pretty.
As Internet stocks were bouncing back Friday morning from a pummeling Wednesday and Thursday, some market analysts suggested that the shakeout was over. But the rally fizzled in a few hours, and sellers re-emerged late Friday to push down the Nasdaq index, which is laden with Internet and other technology shares.
The performance of Amazon.com, the Internet bookseller that has been a darling of Wall Street, is typical of the wild ride. Since peaking at 199 1/8 during trading Jan. 8, it had plunged 53.5 percent by the time it bottomed out during Thursday's session at 92 9/16. It ended the week at 123.
Some Wall Street analysts emerged from the fray convinced that investors had restored some sanity to the market for such high-flying Internet stocks. The days are over, these analysts said, when companies could make a killing in the stock market by tacking ''.com'' to their name or throwing up a Web site.
From now on, investors will be much more discriminating, said Kris Tuttle, an Internet analyst at SoundView Financial Corp. He said the market needed ''a boiling of the water to separate out some of these really marginal, if not completely ridiculous, Internet stocks, which have no real business model, no real advantage.''
Two companies that emerged victorious from last week's fray were Excite Inc. and At Home Corp., which announced Tuesday that they would merge. The deal will combine At Home, a supplier of high-speed Internet connections, with Excite, which runs a popular Web site called a ''portal,'' a place where surfers can connect to other sites and services on the Web.
The merged company would give Web users a vast array of tempting products, as well as current news and chat rooms, and it will directly challenge the daddy of that business, America Online Inc. AOL's stock dropped 4.2 percent during the week, losing 6 1/8 to close at 140 3/8.
On Friday, The Wall Street Journal reported that AT&T was considering selling its Internet access service to At Home. That deal, if it happens, would combine At Home's access to people's homes through cable connections with the 1.3 million residential customers of WorldNet, AT&T's telephone dial-up Internet service, which also has 1 million business customers.
At Home's shares ended Friday's session at 101, up 3 5/8 on the day and down only 1 point for the week. Excite ended up 2 at 87 7/8, up 20 3/8 for the week, or a gain of 30 percent.
One lesson from all this could be that successful Internet companies will be those that offer a broad range of information and services to a loyal base of customers who will keep returning, Tuttle said.
These companies will make money not just on monthly access fees and advertisements, which is where the bulk of their revenues come from now, but from transactional fees paid by customers.

Which companies might win?
''I can think of only two that have brand-name recognition: AOL and Yahoo!,'' said Joseph Battipaglia, chief investment strategist at Gruntal & Co.
But while AOL has built a community of dedicated users through its e-mail service and chat rooms, ''Yahoo! doesn't have access to customers other than the Internet, which can be fickle,'' Tuttle said. <b/>

Tuttle said online auction companies like e-Bay Inc., uBid, Inc., ONSALE, Inc., and Cyberian Outpost Inc., which sell products that could be bought at the mall, are also vulnerable.
And Amazon.com, although its stock is trading at an astoundingly high 453 times projected 1999 earnings, is vulnerable to any successful retailer that wants to start selling books on the Internet, Battipaglia said.
''What would it take for Wal-Mart to hire some Internet whiz and sell bicycles, hosiery and books through that channel? You don't have an allegiance to Amazon. You just want to buy your books cheap.''
Tom Rhinelander, an Internet analyst at Forrester Research, believes Internet companies, like the rest of the technology sector, will eventually bow to the Darwinian laws of Wall Street and hook up with each other to form a few big players.
''The Internet was supposed to be this great leveler,'' Rhinelander said. ''But what we've seen is that it's not that way at all.''
On Friday, the Dow average fell 143.41 to 9,120.67, ending down 219.88 for the week.