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To: ztect who wrote (5)1/24/1999 12:48:00 AM
From: ztect  Respond to of 193
 
All fans of..........Part 1

ProNetLink Meeting: December 10, 1998

I woke up at 5:30 AM and found that I hadn't been transformed into an giant insect despite what certain Silicon Investor thread participants had stated to the contrary. I took a shower, checked my email, and printed out in triplicate the seven pages of questions I received. I gathered all my materials together and headed for the train station. I purchased my round trip ticket from Philadelphia to New York City and caught the 7:35 to Amtrak train.

I arrived at Penn Station in New York at approximately 9:00 and walked over to 51st and 5th Ave. I arrived about twenty minutes early so I took pictures of the outside of the building where PNL's offices are located on the third floor.

Pronetlink's offices are located in the "Olympic Tower" at 645 Fifth Avenue. The building is entered however off of either 51st or 52nd Street. This location on Fifth Avenue is very prestigious. Listing some of PNL's neighbors along Fifth Avenue will give people unfamiliar with Fifth Avenue and NYC an idea of how prestigious this location is. Immediately next door to the Olympic Tower is the five story renovated flag ship store for Gianni Versace in the old Vanderbilt Mansion. In the base of the Olympic tower is the Armani Store, diagonally south across the street is the Rockerfeller Center, diagonally north across the Fifth Avenue is the incredible new NBA store. Retailers at street level along 5th Ave. pay approx. $240 a sq. ft for floor space. Fifth Avenue is one of the premier locations in the entire world. Also of note is that the NBA as well as many other high profile corporate entities have their offices in the same building as PNL.

After taking my photos of the exterior and testing my tape recorder, I took a photo of the registry and took the elevator to the third floor. On the third floor I took a photo of the third floor directory and PNL's front door. Then I enter and was greeted by Taylor, who took my coat. I took a picture of Taylor at the side of her desk . I was then directed to the conference room. I took a photograph of the conference room. I sat down but soon stood up and noticed the signed photograph of Mikhail Gorbachev on the countertop of the cabinet. Glenn was stuck in traffic, so while I waited Taylor offered me coffee, but since I don't drink coffee, I had an apple juice instead. Taylor came in and I asked her a couple of questions about how many people worked in this office and where Rare Medium's offices were. She noted that Glenn doesn't work out of PNL's offices and that normally the trip from his office takes about ten minutes.

Taylor, I ‘d guess is in here mid to late thirties or early forties. It is hard to estimate her age because she seems so vivacious energetic and genuine. I noticed about four or five other people working in the office. All of these individuals seem to be under thirty. Jean Pierre Collardeau unfortunately was away at a meeting and, therefore, not present while I was there. PNL's office consists of the reception area, five offices and a conference room. JP's office is a corner office that looks directly over Fifth Avenue

After a couple minutes Dave Walker arrived. After taking off his coat, he joined me in the conference room. I noted that we are both graduates of Cornell, and we quickly digressed into a conversation about lacross and the last time we were in Ithaca. Dave Walker was low keyed and relaxed. He is one of those people who you immediately feel comfortable enough with to refer to him simply by his first name. Dave's about six feet tall with a medium build. He was wearing a black suit. I will however refrain from making any editorial comments about his choice of neck ware especially since I chose not to wear a tie.

Shortly thereafter Glenn arrived. Glenn started to speak immediately. I interrupted him and asked if it was okay to tape the conversation. Glen and Dave said if I did tape, they couldn't be as forthright in their conversation and would need their lawyers present. So I deferred and placed my tape recorder back into my brief case.

The first item Glenn chose to discuss was the whole Internet message board phenomena and its impact on investing and how this, in turn, affected the share price and perception of PNL. Related to this conversation, Glenn made adamant statement about not having any ideas what were the motives and hidden agendas of many of the posters hiding behind aliases on the various threads. Glenn and Dave then went onto discuss a whole slew of issues including, but not limited to, the following: Legal constraints, legal actions against Internet message board posters, PNL versus other Internet sector stocks, "the big picture", Dave's role and background including his development of website for Unz, Proxicom, Rare Medium & other developers, versions 1, 2 , and 3 plus what V 3.0 will entail, building world wide networks to build membership, Israel, Egypt , Singapore, Ireland chambers of council, CNBC plus other media coverage, competition, the use of the Internet outside of the United States, teaching the world's businesses about how to utilize the Internet for commerce, existing and future alliances including banking alliances, the origin of the firm's financing, the first share holder meeting, how he staffs and utilizes technology to have sufficient manpower while containing overhead costs, critical path management, marketing that has occurred, and the timing of forthcoming events.




To: ztect who wrote (5)1/24/1999 12:50:00 AM
From: ztect  Respond to of 193
 
All fans of................Part 2

After discussing these items, I then asked Dave and Glenn questions from those that I received which weren't already addressed. I didn't get to ask every question that I'd like to, plus many questions transgressed what they could tell me as an individual which they would therefore have to tell all investors in the form of a news release. As I noted I made copies of the questions, so I gave both Dave and Glenn copies at the end of our meeting.

Before I go into more detail on several of the items we discussed, let me first record my impressions of Glenn. Glenn is the consummate marketing person. Forceful with his thoughts and confident in his presentation. Now I've been around a sales person or two. My sister is a high profile marketing type herself. Many times people selling something put the best spin on a product they are trying to sell. Though there is a distinct and notable difference when sales people believe wholeheartedly in the product that they are selling. In my honest opinion, I came away with the impression that Glenn wholeheartedly believes in both what PNL is trying to accomplish and PNL's ability to execute on PNL's business plan. At no time did Glenn equivocate. At no time did Glenn demonstrate any doubts. If Glenn was putting on an act, he deserves the Academy Award. Glenn also dropped a name or two..In the context of a conversation about the differences between the big investors, who do a lot of due diligence before making an investment, and all new small time investors that normally don't, Glenn noted that the Rockerfellers were his friends

"…Jean Pierre Collardeau has been involved in international trade for the last 30 years, specifically in matters of international banking, rules and regulations. In 1968 he was involved with transactions between Asia and Africa..10 yrs later he was the No 1 importer and distributor for Peugot in Nigeria and in 88 was the representative and negotiator of Fiat and worked directly with the Ministry of Works of various Governments of West African countries. For the last 10 yrs, from Paris, Geneva and London he has supervised commercial operations and foreign investments from Europe to Africa and has advised on government tenders and bids to major infrastructure projects funded by the World Bank.. He is also a member of many world wide trade associations. .According to Taylor, when he is not out of town, he comes to the office everyday and is proactive in running the company…..

David Walker came to PNLK from Unz & Co.., the leading provider of import/export publications, software, and training programs to the US international trade community, and was instrumental in the creation and development of many unique products and services for importers and exporters which was recognized in Commerce achievement awards. He has 20 years of experience in International Trade which include a strong technical background in development and installation of various network operating systems, including software and regulatory CD-Roms.. In my opinion, it is this background and knowledge of International Business and Commerce which will accelerate PNLK's success as an internet webtool to the ever increasing globalization of business and its success to streamline the complicated and intricate transactions that pervade the industry today….." (Excerpt's from field visit by Terri Acey)

The following conversation occurred in PNL's Conference Room..

GZ: "Don't really expect there to be any news until after the New Year. But when we release the name of the banking/finance partner who will provide financing for web site users, let's see how people react to that."

Dave Walker: (to GZ) "I think you may already let the cat out of the hat. Hope you haven't said anything that he wasn't suppose to know."

ztect: (to GZ) "Do you want me to make sure that I don't repeat anything regarding this banking/ financing partner news."

GZ: "Why? Everyone knows we have a banking/finance partner to provide financing for companies using our webtool. The only thing they don't know is who that is."

ztect: "Okay"

GZ: "But you do know, as I often have said, that if I told you more, I'd have to kill you."



To: ztect who wrote (5)1/24/1999 12:51:00 AM
From: ztect  Respond to of 193
 
All fans of........Part 3

RE: Web Site Problems and Development

Proxicom provide strong sales pitch, then couldn't execute on their sales pitch.

Thus, Version 1.0 equals getting web presence establishing framework for further development and most importantly establishing leadership status and brand name in this particular internet sector.

Version 2.0 equals provides rudimentary tool for import/export business building upon existing model established and limited by Proxicom in accordance with schedule already established including Unz forms and Royal printing.

2.0 Attracts members in the hundreds rather than the thousands, gives G.Z something substantive to market and affirms leadership status as per deals with Brokers Association and Israel Chambers of Commerce.

Trades are transpiring via the tool as is with the support of existing freight forwarded who facilitate transactions.

Version 3.0 is the breakthrough product that will re-engineer the product with Rare Medium's input and supervision of several other sub contractors including Click!Online. From what I understand Click! is not the only other "sub" developer on board.

As Version 3.0 is being developed, relationships are being formed with other chambers of commerce in other countries like Egypt, Ireland, and many others. So when the Version 3.0 is available members will joined not individually but collectively for each country.

Well that's the theory at least...Now we all have to wait and see about the execution

Glenn likened PNL to a office tower.

Proxicom poured PNL's initial foundations to build a 50 story building. But as PNL was waiting for the order of steel to arrive, PNL learned of a superior foundation design by Rare Medium that allowed for the erection of an 100 story building on the same site.

The delays and redevelopment required to modify the foundations for this additional expansion took time and effected the short term valuation of the company's share price. More importantly the change in web developers delayed the marketing and impacted the current membership numbers.

However, as the new Version 3.0 web site is being developed, Glenn has been traveling the world and building the network of relationships with companies and Chambers of Commerce as has been noted in prior posts.

During the course of my meeting with Glenn and Dave, Glenn was interrupted twice to take calls from Geneva. Glenn, if I recall correctly, also said he had conversations with an European division of the Unilever Company.

Btw- want a good indicator of what's in store for V3.0? Take a look at this site nytimes.com designed by guess who? The Rare Medium Group...that's who! Same darn rascals designing new V3.0 site. V3.0 is gonna be GREAT!

RE: the 10sb:

The 10sb is the "operating" history including financial balance sheets.Companies have to have an operating history (ie. be in business for a sufficient length of time) before they can file a 10sb.PNL is just meeting that threshold. PNL start up time was also hampered by using Proxicom. PNL's first set of financials released from what I've been forewarned will not show stellar numbers. Since this is a start-up, the balance sheet will reflect that during the first 8 months, or so, of operation (since May) that the company was starting up, more money was being spent on marketing and website development, and not as much money was being generated as desired initially in return from memberships or services.Two points:1).The website development to Proxicom and Rare Medium was paid in cash not options2). The $500,000 credit line is still intactWalker's compensation couldn't be revealed to me prior to the release of the 10 sb because this could be construed as sharing proprietary information that could be construed as showing preferential treatment to one particular share holder. Or, at least, Glenn and Dave weren't sure of the legal ramifications of sharing such information with me at the time of our meeting. Consequently, they felt the need to "talk to their lawyers" prior to revealing Dave's financial "package".As for company history and origination of shares,

RE: PNLK share price.

Presently, since no one at PNL is selling their shares, no one at PNL cares about the stock's day to day or near term valuation. PNL is concerned about building the networks and tools to build their business.Anyone who bought PNLK thinking it would be a BAMM, BFLY, ebaY, et cetera, bought the wrong stock if they expected an immediate return.



To: ztect who wrote (5)1/24/1999 12:53:00 AM
From: ztect  Respond to of 193
 
All fans of.........Part 4

RE: Some Questions.

I received these answers.

-The founder Collardeau is the only 10% shareholder
-Most of the start up Capital came from the founder

-The site still gets about a half a million page hits per month.
Membership numbers they haven't released yet

Since you reached a pretty harsh and damning conclusions without
doing any substantive research, you are opening yourself up to MAJOR liability.

Like I told you previously your coverage didn't understand the business model and didn't account for the OUTSOURCED affiliations that this company has formed

A company can't wantonly use names and falsely associated themselves with the likes of Dow Jones, Unz & Co, D&B, and Rare Medium without opening themselves up to major litigation.

RE: Some of Dave's responsibilities

Dave is going to put together a newsletter. If I remember correctly this is going to be a monthly newsletter that will be discussing significant developments at PNL as well as pertinent and member trade news.

This newsletter will be mailed to members and available on the Version 3.0 website in front of the "wall" ie without membership.

version 3.0 will have a lot more information in front of the "wall" like corporate information.

Please also note that Dave helped to develop the Unz website. Though Dave was a VP at Unz, he was a little frustrated with this PNL partner because Unz has been a little slow to understand and utilize the potential of the internet. Dave thus moved to PNL and took on the risk of being part of a start-up because of the excitement and opportunity that PNL provided him.

RE: Common misconception about PNL

Per Jason Anders article many investors and critics were given the wrong impression that PNL was trying to "replace" freight forwarders...

This is the text of Anders's article that gave that false impression....

"...Mr. Collardeau sees the following as one possible scenario: A broker in New York wants to move rice from a supplier in Thailand to a customer in Nigeria. He logs in to ProNetLink, fills out a form detailing his needs, and lists the price he's willing to pay. Instantly, ProNetLink sends out a quote request by fax or e-mail to the companies in its massive database that can do the job (regardless of whether or not they are ProNetLink subscribers). Within an hour, the New York broker gets responses.

At that point, ProNetLink will help the two sides fill out the necessary paperwork, find suitable transportation for the product and arrange financing. The company says it has arrangements with a number of banks, but declines to name them.

But analysts caution trading with foreign companies can be tricky business.

"There are a lot of complexities involved, a lot of nuances," says Harry Baumes, senior vice president of agricultural services at the WEFA Group, a firm that researches international trade. "Foreign companies and governments want to deal with people who they know ... who can take care of the behind-the-scenes things with minimal hassle."

Those behind-the-scenes things include everything from what type of boat the cargo will be shipped on to exactly where, when, and by whom it will be unloaded.

Mr. Baumes points out that moving rice from Thailand to Nigeria may be relatively easy, but he says moving rice from China or another more restrictive country usually takes experienced traders with relationships in those areas. And pointing to China, where import and export rules can change frequently, he questions how feasible it is to maintain a database on regulations."

In realty PNL works with Freight Forwarders. Providing freight forwarders leads.

Dave, who has 20 years of trading experience, also noted that the National Customs Brokers and Forwarders Association of America (NCBFAA, the organization that has formed an alliance with PNL, represents the "best" freight forwarders. This is the top 600 out of 6000 located, I believe, worldwide.

Now when a PNL form is faxed to PNL it is sent to the freight forwarder in the area that the form came from who helps to execute the transaction. The forwarder contacts the person who sent the fax.

The execution is expedited because the 80% of forms that are typically used are available or will be available on PNL's site, and have been filled out at the same as contacting the freight forwarder. The freight forwarder really helps out a lot with all the idiosyncratic forms that are specific to each forwarder's specific region.

So again PNL was never intended to replace forwarders as can easily be misconstrued by the WSJ article. PNL makes a forwarders job quicker and easier by facilitating the paper work while also providing the forwarder with numerous leads
from which the forwarder profits.

Also note as per what GZ and DW have said, importers/exporters have been using the Version 2.0 already for business.

What do Freight Forwarders do?
ncbfaa.org

Freight Forwarder: Transport Architect

The international freight forwarder is popularly known as the "Transport Architect." Ocean freight forwarders are licensed by the Federal Maritime Commission (FMC). International air cargo agents are accredited by the International Air Transportation Association (IATA).

The freight forwarding professional advises clients of the best rates, routings and modes of transporting goods to or from any area in the world. Using the vast resources at their disposal, forwarders find the "right match" of services available so that products are moved by the most timely and cost-effective means. The large volume of freight handled by forwarders gives them advantages not always available to either individual shippers or integrated carriers.

The professional forwarder is also aware of the ever-changing regulations affecting cargo movements, such as foreign documentation requirements, hazardous materials rules, U.S. government regulations, special packaging or handling restrictions, and any applicable licensing provisions.

"Customized" services to fit the clients' operational needs are the forwarder's specialty. Forwarders coordinate arrangements for storage, pick-and-pack operations, consolidations or full-container movements as well as inland transportation to provide clients with true door-to-door service. From assisting with initial quotations or preparation of pro-forma invoices, the banking clients' documents for collection, the full-service, professional freight forwarder is the most reliable partner one can have in international trade. ncbfaa.org



To: ztect who wrote (5)1/24/1999 12:54:00 AM
From: ztect  Respond to of 193
 
All fans of..........Part 5

RE: What Glenn & Dave could and couldn't say

Glenn and Dave were very particular about what they told me because they were very concerned about abiding by any and all SEC regulations.

Consequently, they could talk in broad strokes and infer about many issues and items, but they couldn't appear to tell me anything that they'd have to release in a news release to all share holders.

Glenn noted how he will not respond to any particular share holder more than once a week even though he's received nearly 5 pieces of email a day from one particular "share holder".

In response to this particular share holder, Glenn response was a very short statement that this particular shareholder should "get a life".

Consequently many questions I received and asked about Dave's compensation and financial information they couldn't be disclose to me without "talking to their lawyers".

When I asked if I could tape record the conversation, they basically said if I did, they couldn't be as forthright with their conversation and would need their whole entourage of lawyers present.

So needless to say I put my tape recorder away

RE: Availability of Financial per 12/12/98

Why aren't financials available yet?

Basically from what I could ascertain, the financials aren't available for two reasons.

1. As a BB company, these statements don't have to be.

2. The financials, at this specific point in time, don't reflect well on the company and the potential of the company.

Consequently, IMO the financials will be released in conjunction with significant events that demonstrate the strength of the company's business plan and the significance of the company's alliances.

Now why are the financials not what they should be? Why are memberships lagging?

There is a one word response to this question which I stated in prior posts.....

PROXICOM

Proxicom's non-performance severely altered the timing and schedule of events (especially marketing) related to PNL's business plan.

Like I said before V1.0 & V2.0 weren't what they were suppose to be .
Re: Competition…

According to the infamous Stock Detective report, PNL purportedly has a lot of competition. However, as is sometimes the case with the Stock Defective's detective work, this is misinformation.

According to Glenn & Dave, there currently are NO other websites that deal with trade GLOBALLY.

Matter of fact, PNL is helping to educate other parts of the world, who are currently less internet savvy, on the potential of internet and how it will help them increase their business domestically and internationally.

Now I personally visit the Version 2.0 site and "look for signs of life". The first place I look is the classifieds. Though I have never been overwhelmed by the quantity of classifieds listed (never more than 3 or 4 at any one time), I have been intrigued by who and where from companies have been listing.

Here are three current classifieds. Please pay particular attention as to the three countries from which MEMBERS came and placed adds.

shams al khaleej llc

Contact Name: Anouchka Mellin, Managing Director
Business Category:
Products/Services:

petroleum products
supplies to refineries
electro-mechanical parts
food items

Address: pobox 47734

Abu Dhabi, xx xx
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Phone: 2393906
Fax: 971 2323208
Email: aismellin1@hotmail.com
Website: http://
Years in Business: 7
Number of Employees: 1-25
Annual Sales: $1 million to $9 million

===================================
G.B.E LTD

Contact Name: boris brodavka, Marketing Director
Business Category: Importer
Products/Services:

gifts and souvenirs
watches and clocks
decorative items
writing instruments
electronics for watches

Address: 106/108 VALDEMARA STR

RIGA, LATVIA LV-1013
Latvia
Phone: 371-9-483647
Fax: 371 7339223
Email: gbe@fasts.com Website: http://
Years in Business: 92
Number of Employees: 1-25
Annual Sales:

=====================================
CAVAILLE

Contact Name: Cédric FAIVRE, Export Sales Director
Business Category: Exporter
Products/Services:

French wines
Ready-cooked Traditional Recipes
Pasta of many kinds
Cakes, Biscuits and Pies
Jams, Jellies and Honeys

Address: 86, rue des Varennes

BRINDAS, FRANCE
Phone: 6-60-50-43-10
Fax: 33 4-78-45-43-10
Email: faivre@savoie-export.com
Website: savoie-export.com
Years in Business: 49
Number of Employees: 1-25
Annual Sales: $1 million to $9 million




To: ztect who wrote (5)1/24/1999 12:56:00 AM
From: ztect  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 193
 
All fans of............Part 6

Re: Critical Path Management

Therefore, do you know about critical path management?
Apparently not....certain major events have to occur in order for other events to follow. Those other events are contingent upon "critical" items to proceed with the process.

Now membership numbers aren't going to meet projections until there is a product worthwhile to buy. V2.0 is Proxicom's mess that adversely effected schedule. V2.0 is of questionable value. V2.0 however is sufficient enough for Glenn to sell the concept and idea. So as Version 3.0 is being developed and is the most critical item, other paths are being developed concurrently, namely marketing of old V2.0 tool to different countries Chambers of Commerce to have membership bases in place so that, Thus, when Version3.0 is ready, membership projections will be exceeded "overnight".


In summation, don't get caught up in the numbers, at least, not yet. Remember the "Big Picture"

1,250 members equaled 440,000 +/-

But remember the goal is not to go after the "individual subscriber". The goal is to get signings en masse...That is why Glenn is flying all over the World to locations like Israel, Egypt, Singapore, Ireland, China...et cetera to demonstrate what the product is about to the organized business associations (Chambers of Commerce) for each one of those countries.

The announced relationship with Israel can potentially lead to as many as 20,000 to 30,000 membership sign ups alone, because the "group" signed up was actually the consortium for all Chambers of every city in Israel who are going to use PNLK's web tool as not only their means for exporting/importing, but also as their means of communication amongst themselves.

Now take each one of those countries and project just 5,000 and you exceed first year sign-up projections...easily.

What is 35,000 X $350 = $12,250,000 and again that potentially can be the sign-ups from only one country.

But first before sign-ups...need V3.0

As V3.0 is being developed....Glenn's going to do a lot of traveling getting support and endorsements like those he received from Israel.......Thus there is more than one path that occurs with the critical path management...and all paths will converge on or around LAUNCH date....

Just hope this time I get invited to the "Launch Party"