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To: Jock Hutchinson who wrote (16736)1/29/1999 9:48:00 AM
From: jad  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 25814
 
LSI LOGIC (LSI) 23 3/4. Profits don't matter anymore. Trading stocks has become a matter of anticipating splits, receiving timely upgrades or price target increases from a major broker, CEO appearances on TV, and most importantly, beating the quarterly earnings estimate from First Call. It doesn't seem to matter what level profits are at, just whether a company beats by one, two, or five cents. After the close Thursday, semiconductor firm LSI Logic (LSI) reported fourth quarter earnings. LSI operating earnings came in an nil. That is, breakeven. No profits. That, however, was better than the First Call average estimate, which called for a loss of two cents. So, LSI beat two cents. In fact, the press release right away says "EPS before special item and after goodwill was $0.00. First Call consensus estimate was a loss of $0.02." This indicates that this breakeven figure is what is the proper figure to compare to First Call analysts. It is operating income. However, there has been some confusion this morning, because LSI started off the press release with "Diluted, before special item and $10 million goodwill amortization: $0.05." Many in the market want to therefore conclude that LSI beat by five cents, not just two. This follows the recent trend that Amazon.com has had no trouble getting away with - that amortization costs should be excluded from earnings numbers. Amazon recently reported a loss of $0.14 per share on a pro-forma basis, which was widely reported as their loss. In fact, their own press release made it clear that the operating loss was actually $0.30 per share. Amazon is simply in the habit of excluding the amortization costs of having acquired a company. Yet, there is no one that questions that these costs belong in operating expenses. It is just that Wall Street bought into Amazon's argument that looking at pro-forma is a better gauge of performance. A critical point is that in Amazon's case, that is what analysts started to forecast. In LSI's case, the analysts were not forecasting "excluding amortization" costs. So,the proper figure to compare the LSI report to First Call is the breakeven number. LSI beat by two cents, not five. Who knows, though, perhaps LSI, Allied Signal, Merck, and all the other companies that make acquisitions will also start excluding amortization costs. That will start making everyone's profits look better. It also suggests that acquiring a company has no cost to shareholders. So, don't expect the accountants to ever agree. In any case, LSI is being played today. They beat earnings estimates and CS First Boston has upgraded the stock to "buy." LSI wasn't able to make any profits, even though they made $0.22 a share in the year-ago fourth quarter and revenues were 38% higher. But that won't matter. CEO Corrigan said LSI has a "growing belief that the long-awaited recovery of the semiconductor industry is about to begin." What could be better than a company that has a strong belief in the future? LSI stock, along with the entire semiconductor industry, has been on a roll lately. The fact that LSI is not profitable is hardly an impediment to a stock in today's market, but don't get carried away and think that LSI beat by five cents. Operating earnings were two cents better than expected, at breakeven.
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To: Jock Hutchinson who wrote (16736)1/29/1999 10:06:00 AM
From: Moonray  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 25814
 
BT ALEX. BROWN RAISES LSI LOGIC<LSI.N> TO
STRONG BUY FROM MARKET PERFORMER

REUTERS

Rtr 09:30 01-29-99

This makes 2!

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To: Jock Hutchinson who wrote (16736)1/29/1999 10:13:00 AM
From: Jock Hutchinson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 25814
 
Correction: I went back to the '97 3Q release and the only figure I could find associated with the Mint acquisition was $3 million.



To: Jock Hutchinson who wrote (16736)1/30/1999 11:50:00 AM
From: Tony Viola  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 25814
 
Jock, first, thanks for the excellent CC summary. In this particular post I'm responding to, something you said about Mint didn't ring quite right to me, if I may nitpic.

I will be putting in a call to LSI IR in the near future
to learn more about the capabilities of Mint, but for the time being I am assuming
that Mint has at least somewhat the same capabilities as Cadence and Synopsys,
which is to say that LSI is now somewhat a player in the Fabless semiconductor
industry.


Now, if Mint is like a mini Cadence, then they would provide design tools (layout, simulation, speed analysis, etc.) to semiconductor companies, whether fab or fabless. But, they wouldn't be a player in the fabless industry, to me, they would instead be a supplier of tools to it, but just as easily to companies with fabs. It doesn't make any difference, to a Cadence, e.g., whether the company they sell their tools to ends up building the chips or not. Fabless players would be like the old Cyrix (before NSM) and Actel, and some of the other PLD companies (Xilinx?), i.e., smaller semi design companies that don't have the capital to build their own fabs.

Done with nitpic, certainly, the IC design tools biz is here to stay, and, managed well, Mint could grow faster than LSI, maybe. Throwing Avant! in with CDN and SNPS, LSI:

exchange2000.com

Another post coming re Linux.

Tony