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To: Drew Spencer who wrote (25218)	1/29/1999 10:14:00 AM
From: Spartex	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

<<Acutally, the DEN initiative is NOT a Cisco thing. It is a standard that has been established by the Desktop Management Task Force of which (the last time I checked) a member of Novell's senior technical staff was either the Chairman or the President (see http:/www.dmtf.org). So, if the DEN initiative is the problem, Novell is at least partially culpable.>> If I correctly remember from my memory banks, MSFT and CSCO were leading the DEN initiative until it stalled. Then around 1 year ago, they brought in Novell's senior technical person to work on the initiative, as Chairman/Pres. as you stated. Is Novell partially culpable? Thats still TBD, IMHO. Regards, QuadK

To: Drew Spencer who wrote (25218)	1/29/1999 11:13:00 AM
From: ToySoldier	Respond to of 42771

Drew, DEN is an initiative being pushed by CISCO and MSFT. It may be now part of the DTMF but I didnt know that. Read the following Burton Summary... The Burton Group Network Strategy Report Directory-Enabled Networks Initiative(28 pages) Analyst(s): Mary Petrosky The Directory-Enabled Networks (DEN) Initiative and related specification work promise to open the door to new levels of network management and policy-based service provisioning. Spearheaded by Microsoft and Cisco, the DEN Initiative has garnered broad industry support even as the process of defining the DEN spec has drawn criticism. In this report, we take a look at the issues surrounding the DEN work and highlight the spec itself. While Microsoft and Cisco have made a good start, the DEN spec needs considerable work to be fully fleshed out, and other technical problems must be addressed before DEN's promise is realized. CONCLUSION : The Directory-Enabled Networks (DEN) Initiative and related specification work have the potential to enable a new set of directory-based network applications and services. Early indications are that the industry will give DEN the broad support it needs to achieve its potential. In general, the benefits of DEN-enabled products provide one of the clearest justifications we've seen for the use of directory services. However, it will be mid-1999 before DEN-based products hit the market, and three to five years for DEN to have its full impact. soliton.co.jp The following are my opinons... So that is why Lucent and Novell will officially support this "industry Initiative" in order to ensure their products meets DEN standards and/or linkages, but they both would rather not actively push DEN until it truly benefits them. They both have their own reasons for not being flag-waving promoters of DEN. Novell has NDS which has DEN functionality already built into it, and Lucent would rather not promote an initiative that is spearheaded by their biggest cometitor. So you are right that by taking a shot at DEN, Lucent is taking a shot at CISCO while giving a cheer to their newst partner - Novell. Also, Lucent is correct in predicting that the fruits to the DEN initiative will still be a year or two away - considering that the two major promoters are Cisco and MSFT (and we know how fast they are moving on their other major Directory Service initiative - Active Directory). Those are my opinons. Toy