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To: nihil who wrote (29304)	1/29/1999 1:49:00 PM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

nihil: Just my own, personal opinion, unsupported by facts, but I think you should call your friend who is dying of cancer. At least you can say good-bye. If you don't, you may well regret it all your final days. As far as your platonic lover, why don't you arrange a rendezvous away from the islands? Perhaps in Alaska? FT

To: nihil who wrote (29304)	1/29/1999 2:37:00 PM
From: CheGuevera	Respond to of 108807

Wow... <appluads>

To: nihil who wrote (29304)	1/29/1999 4:00:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

Well, I am not criticising your personal life. I am sure that you live it well. The point is that societal proscriptions with lengthy histories, such as the proscriptions against extramarital sex, have plusses as well as minuses. It's not something you would tend to notice in a western, urban environment, maybe, but closed societies are fragile, and acts which are contrary to the norm can be damaging. You only imagine that whom you have intercourse with has no effect on anyone but your willing partner. But, let's assume that you are a powerful superior (say, a teacher?) who has consensual sex with a willing subordinate (say, a graduate student?). This may be noticed by the others, other students, co-workers, and be damaging to morale. Many will be jealous, and feel injured thereby. You may find yourself favoring your protege in office politics, in a way which is contrary to perceived norms. Suppose you live in a village which only has a few score inhabitants. If you are a married man, and establish an adulterous relationship with a woman, you have taken her out of circulation, which may cause another man to do without a wife. A wife is not only a sexual partner, she is an economic partner, a mother, and a caregiver. So that man may be injured thereby. Suppose that once the woman is no longer nubile, she no longer attracts you and you end the relationship. She has "wasted" her best years, and may find it difficult to marry. A wealthy man can use up the best parts of countless women, leaving countless men without mates. In a world without effective birth control, cuckolded husbands will find themselves rearing the children of others, which is a waste of their own resources and does their own genes no good. Your spouse, whom you suppose to condone your relationships, may simply be powerless to stop you, and willing to lie about it to preserve peace and your good will. Similar arguments may be made against sodomy. I could go on, and on. My point being, that there are valid arguments to be made on both sides.

To: nihil who wrote (29304)	1/29/1999 4:03:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

nihilist, <<When I was 15 my best friend tried to rape (sodomize) me. It ended our personal interaction, and I regret that end to this day. The fact he tried to rape me caused me little pain. He didn't injure me in any way. I would have died rather than report his "crime" to the Georgia State Patrol. He went on to become a great surgeon, although we didn't speak again. I saw no reason for him to be imprisoned for life, sodomized himself by other, stronger prisoners, and guards. What passed between him and me was our private concern and nobody's business.>> Your selfish inaction left him free to attack and harm others. How many children has he sodomized in his life because you didn't report him. The tremendous evil you just shrug off as your own choice not to report him showing no responsibility to society. I suspect that many could have been spared a lot of pain had you reported this action to the police. The fact that he is a respected surgeon means nothing. Does he spend too much time in the morgue? Inquiring minds want to know. Bob