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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: A. Borealis who wrote (10807)1/29/1999 9:56:00 PM
From: Machaon  Read Replies (6) | Respond to of 13994
 
<< The whole impeachment/trial is nothing but a fiasco. >>

Most of the thinking public agree with you. It's only a few slow thinking conservatives (oops, sorry about the nasty word) that believe otherwise.

<< Maybe the Republican members of Congress enmasse should be impeached for gross incompetence. >>

We don't have to impeach them for their incompetence and abuse of majority power. Just wait until 2000!

In 2000, it's going to be the American Public versus the Republican Party.

THE TRIAL IS OVER!!!!!! What will the conservatives do after the trial? They obviously don't have any good planning skills. They do have a lot of plotting skills. Perhaps the conservatives will try and take over the country by force. They'll start by taking over a McDonalds and holding Ronald McDonald for ransom! <g>



To: A. Borealis who wrote (10807)1/29/1999 10:00:00 PM
From: Frank Griffin  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13994
 
It is absolutely amazing about the polls. I talk with 15-20 different people every day. Probably 80% do not respect the Clinton administration and feel that, if he really loved America and had integrity, he would have resigned for the good of the country. Based on what he has admitted he has disqualified himself to hold the highest seat in the land and the world. Your polls show one thing but I really wonder who is polled, how the questions are constructed, the sequence of the questions, etc.. It is very difficult for me to believe his popularity actually goes up every time more is disclosed or more lying is obvious.

Just my opinion, Frank



To: A. Borealis who wrote (10807)1/30/1999 12:26:00 AM
From: Catfish  Respond to of 13994
 
Haemophiliacs sue over tainted blood from Arkansas prisoners
Firms, Ottawa negligent?


Mark Kennedy
Ottawa Citizen

Tainted-blood victims will launch a $300-million lawsuit today against two companies and the federal government over the shipment to Canada of contaminated plasma from U.S. prisons.

The lawsuit follows a series of investigative stories by the Ottawa Citizen last fall that revealed how a U.S. firm with links to Bill Clinton, the U.S. president, collected bad blood from Arkansas prison inmates and sold it abroad.

The class-action lawsuit will involve about 200 haemophiliacs infused with the prison plasma in the early 1980s and who later developed hepatitis C.

In their statement of claim, to be filed in a Toronto court, the victims will allege the companies that distributed the plasma - believed to be infected with HIV and hepatitis C - were negligent, and that federal regulators were also at fault. The victims' lawyer, David Harvey, said yesterday they are seeking about $300-million in damages.

"Everybody turned a blind eye because they were making money, and they sacrificed our lives," said lead plaintiff Mike McCarthy, a Waterloo, Ont., resident with hepatitis C. "There has to be justice here."

By early 1983, U.S. companies that fractionate blood products had stopped buying prison plasma -- at the request of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) -- because it was widely understood that, since many inmates practiced unsafe gay sex or were intravenous drug addicts, their blood posed a high risk of carrying the AIDS virus.

However, this didn't stop prison blood centres from selling their products to foreign companies.

The companies being sued are: Connaught Laboratories, a Toronto-based firm that manufactured blood products for Canadian patients, many of them haemophiliacs, and Continental Pharma Cryosan, a Montreal blood broker that imported plasma from prisons in Arkansas and Louisiana and resold it to Connaught.

At the Krever inquiry, Connaught said it didn't realize it was buying inmates' plasma and that the shipping papers accompanying the plasma had not revealed the centre was located in a prison. They simply referred to the source as the "ADC Plasma Center, Grady, Arkansas," without any indication "ADC" stood for Arkansas Department of Corrections.

As well, although Connaught had received an FDA inspection report that revealed the centre was in a prison, the report was not reviewed by the company.

Mr. Harvey said that constitutes negligence.

"They're manufacturing the product. It's their obligation to ensure that the raw materials that they're purchasing are of good quality. That requires them to know everything about how and where the materials are being collected."

As for Continental Pharma, company president Thomas Hecht told the Citizen last November his firm did know it was importing prison plasma. But he insisted scientific knowledge at the time didn't indicate inmates' plasma was any riskier than the general population. As well, he said his firm supplied "U.S. government licensed product and never denied its origins" to customers including Connaught.

The victims will contend in their lawsuit that Continental knew, or should have known, about the higher risks associated with prison plasma.

The federal government is being sued for allegedly failing its responsibilities as the blood system's safety regulator by neglecting to properly police the two firms. Regulators in Health Canada apparently didn't know that Connaught and Continental were dealing in prison plasma, which the Red Cross had stopped collecting in Canada as far back as 1971.

"It's their obligation to regulate the industry,"said Mr. Harvey.

nationalpost.com




To: A. Borealis who wrote (10807)1/30/1999 10:52:00 AM
From: Catfish  Respond to of 13994
 
I SPY? Hillary and Bill didn't trust each other and both hired private investigators to dig up dirt on each other.

SPECIAL REPORT

THE SHOCKING SECRET FILE
Bill and Hillary Clinton spied on each other for years hiring private investigators who turned up evidence that they BOTH were cheating!

One P.I. compiled a secret sex file that accused Hillary of having an affair with longtime Clinton adviser Vince Foster, whose 1993 death was ruled a suicide.

"Virtually from the day they married, Hillary didn t trust Bill and Bill didn t trust Hillary," a White House source declared.

"They've hired private investigators whose secret files are filled with highly embarrassing intelligence information about their clandestine activities.

"The two of them are like the U.S. and Russia during the height of the Cold War!"

One P.I. tracked down by The ENQUIRER, Ivan Duda, confirmed: "Hillary wanted me to get the dirt on Bill to find out who he was fooling around with."

An insider disclosed: "Bill cheated first in the marriage he cheated early and he cheated often.

"Hillary was humiliated by the sad reality that her husband simply refused to stay faithful.

"Eventually she looked to go outside the marriage. Her friendship with Vince Foster began in Arkansas and continued into Washington.

"Bill was extremely suspicious of Hillary's relationship with Vince. When confronted, she simply denied it was a romance and claimed they were just good friends.

"But Bill didn't believe her and he told this to one of his closest associates, who decided to look into the matter on Bill's behalf. The associate hired a powerful private investigator to get to the bottom of the matter.

"The investigator had access to Hillary's personal schedule and other key information thanks to Bill's associate. The P.I. did months of digging and surveillance and compiled an extensive file.

"The contents of the secret file were shared with Bill by his associate. The file charged that Hillary was having an affair with Foster, that they had a private and secret place where they met and that they met as often as their schedules allowed.

"Bill confronted her with the information and they had several explosive arguments - screaming, shouting, red-faced blowouts.

"Hillary is not meek and while she never confessed to cheating, she aggressively reminded Bill of his numerous affairs and how he not only humiliated her but nearly wrecked his own political career with his behavior.

"Bill tried to taunt her with the details of the secret file kept on her, confronting her with places, dates and times. She knew from his information that she had been spied on and she was furious!"

But by this time Hillary had a long history of using private investigators and loose-lipped friends to spy on her husband's extramarital activities.

As far back as the 1980s, Hillary hired Little Rock P.I. Duda to spy on Bill.

"I came up with eight women he was involved with," Duda told The ENQUIRER. "What really ticked her off was that one of them was an employee at the Rose Law Firm, where Hillary herself was a lawyer."

Duda said he learned from other investigators that Hillary's spying on her husband was a common practice over the years.

"She could gain the upper hand that way, chewing Bill out and running damage control when necessary to keep his sexual straying from leaking out," an inside source revealed.

And Bill monitored Hillary's relationship with Foster "because he wanted to have the drop on her when she complained about his flings," said another source.

"He also wanted to be warned if the First Lady's friendship with Foster could develop into a political threat."

Hillary has used Secret Service agents to keep tabs on Bill in the White House, according to a source close to the Clintons.

"With the President's reputation, you'd think he'd be more careful around women. But nothing seems to stop him. He's been rumored to have as many as three or four more secret affairs and they involve women who work in the White House.

"It's become so outrageous that Hillary has used Secret Service agents assigned to her to report back on the President's activities and any rumors they pick up.

"In one case the President learned that a female agent close to Hillary was talking and he had her reassigned."

Bill and Hillary have also used friends and employees from the Arkansas State House to the White House to report what the other was up to, said the White House source.

"Ironically, when Zippergate was exploding around them, Bill and Hillary did what they do best when it comes to finding out information they hired private investigators!

"Bill's pal and political operative Dick Morris said the Clintons hired San Francisco P.I. Jack Palladino as a member of a 'secret police' force the Clinton administration used to discredit women who had sexual affairs with the President.

"And former independent counsel Joseph DiGenova revealed that another private eye, Terry Lenzner, was also hired by the Clinton White House to dig up dirt on him and his wife."

Despite all the spying, Bill and Hillary have remained together. "And that's probably the most difficult part for people to understand," the insider added.

"Their marriage is more about power than lust, more focused on politics than faithfulness.

"But infidelity is still one issue that makes their arguments turn into near brawls - and will probably sink the marriage once Clinton's presidency is finished."

- BENNET BOLTON

nationalenquirer.com



To: A. Borealis who wrote (10807)1/30/1999 3:36:00 PM
From: Catfish  Respond to of 13994
 
The American Mind in Denial

Laissez Faire City Times

Special Guest Posting
by RLK
1/27/99 RLK

So-called conservatives, who should more properly be referred to as the increasingly few remnants of sane people in this country, share a number of similarities with the inmates of Auschwitz or similarities of position of abused women.

In both cases there was and is a condition where people are forced to treat insane and cynically dishonest arguments as if they were credible, and treat the people making those arguments as if those people were honest or were amenable to logic or moral suasion when it is not so.

Any attempts to negotiate with the SS, or with Himmler, or with Hitler was an exercise in self delusion. Regardless of the rationality of arguments presented, those arguments would be rejected. The counter-arguments would be completely irrational, but there would be a desperate need for development of more arguments and pleas by the oppressed as if the Nazi counter-arguments were legitimately based in reasoning.

This is the same condition we have at the present in America.

To begin with, we are facing a situation that is obvious and obviously insane. Does anyone really believe that it is not, at the very least, inappropriate for the president of this country to be receiving oral sex in the Oval Office at the very moment he is on the phone arranging for the American military to be sent to a war zone? Not on the sane side of the boundary between sanity and profound mental disorder. But, the evidence is clear that it happened and there is no denial of it by the president. It is obvious that Bill Clinton lied to the American people and the courts with an open defiance that approached contempt and ridicule.

Bill Clinton's deceptions are not characterized as the masterful work of superior intelligence. The stuff he is pulling is the type of stuff any third grader would get slapped for. Any child could see the obvious lies and manipulations. In fact, Bill Clinton's manipulations are based not so much upon clever deception, but upon the unspoken confidence that no one can, or will, now do anything about it.

In some respects Clinton is like the class clown who is supported by other smirking students in a conspiracy to ridicule a hated teacher. In this case Clinton was elected to ridicule a society and a philosophy of mature responsibility that an infinitely rebellious and polarized generation has hated since the 60s. The Clinton coalition is made up of various alienated racial and cultural groups who elected him to dramatize their hostility and rebellion. The more irrational and warped the Clintons are, the more it serves that purpose.

There is no Clinton deception. There is no need for deception. The Clinton lies are transparent and not utilized so much for deception but to ridicule opposition's powerlessness within a concurrent message that the time has arrived when the angry radicalism of the 60s has achieved seniority. The Clinton lies are more an act of triumphant generational sadism than deception. --And who other than the kid who 30 years ago went to Moscow as a committed declaration of his support of those seeking failure of the American effort in Viet Nam has better credentials to lead the triumph?........

....... Bill Clinton is a somewhat charming manipulative narcissistic psychopath who is capable of showmanship. Beneath the showmanship, over a nearly 35 year period he has shown an infinite capacity to lie and betray others without embarrassment. He has shown few other capacities in any depth. Bill Clinton's present passing troubles are not, and should not be looked upon, as having been the result of a relationship with Monica Lewinsky, or even Paula Jones. The Bill Clinton problem is a consistent pattern of remorseless predation, callousness, manipulation, contempt, ridicule, hostility toward morality, and irresponsibility going back more than 30 years of which the Jones and Lewinsky matters are but a small symptom. In all the years of his adult, or nearly adult, life, anyone associated with Bill Clinton has suffered or been betrayed. That includes everyone from cabinet officials to his own daughter.

Perhaps both we, and Bill Clinton, should be introduced to the previously unexplored concept that if one believes that criticism of, or prohibitions against, oral penile and anal sexual stimulation with comparative strangers in the Oval Office are an unbearable hardship, then one really ought not campaign for the presidential office because one doesn't really have the prerequisites in terms of maturity, toleration of reasonable adult discomfort, or anything else to qualify for the position. This is an issue that has never been brought up.

Perhaps there should also be serious concern about the state of mind of a man running for the presidency who has state troopers bring a strange woman into a hotel room and who contemptuously sticks his penis in her face as an act of naked cruel ridicule and contempt.

Hillary Clinton's purpose can be summed up in one sentence. Her angry agenda is a constant attack to bring the rest of the country down to the state of bitter empty degeneracy seen in her own marriage and her own life. She began with a rebellious refusal to take her husband's name as part of their marriage. Throughout her career she has made repeated barely concealed sarcastic comments or attacks regarding the family and the traditional role of women as mothers. Concurrently, she has seldom missed an opportunity to side with organizations or ideologies that directly or indirectly attack or subtly undermine the position of women in those roles. In Hillary's view "It Takes a Village" to raise children and the importance of a warm nurturing mother is deemphasized or marginalized. Conspicuously absent from Hillary in her selectively militant crusade for the social welfare of children are criticisms of people such as pornographer and Clinton supporter Larry Flint who forced upon his own daughters at an early age what Bill Clinton did with Monica
Lewinsky.

The Clintons are living what they believe. If they didn't believe in it, they wouldn't be living it. What they believe is what they believe others should live. They demand to live in a world where there is no challenge or contradiction to that belief. Hillary's life is one of revenge upon those who do not share her incapacitates.

The Clintons are too immature, too psychopathic, too megalomaniacal, too paranoid, too aggressively pathological, too uncontrolled by any sense of personal limits upon behavior, and too dangerous to be in positions of responsibility and authority in a sane country that wants to remain sane. That is the real issue before the American people that has been completely obscured.

The counter-arguments by the Clintons and their supporters range the spectrum from the insulting and ridiculing, to the insane. Clinton claimed he was never alone in a room with Monica Lewinsky. He was never asked how many other people were in the room when he ejaculated on Monica's dress. Clinton denied remembering whether he had been with a woman he was periodically having various highly intimate oral and anal sexual activity with. The explanations of this could be one of three things. He was lying. There was such a superabundance of such women that it became difficult to remember any one of them, in which case it absolutely confirmed the point being argued by the plaintiff. Or perhaps there was organic brain disorder causing memory loss. At the first sign of evasion, there should have been a court-ordered psychiatric examination to determine the degree of organic brain impairment or deliberate lying.

It is argued that it was about sex, and everybody lies about sex. But, it isn't about sex. Bill Clinton doesn't engage in sex in the erotic or passionate sense. The persistent pattern is one in which Bill Clinton shoves his penis in women's faces in an act of contempt and ridicule while he remains emotionally distant. No woman has ever reported anything remotely resembling a romantic or warm interlude with Bill Clinton. There is no evidence of robust healthy eroticism in the Clinton background. Rather than romance and sex, there is more a pattern approaching the introduction to the deranged character in a psychological horror movie. Clinton is supported in this by various woman's groups because it provides them with a visible counterpoise to repel off of in their continuing campaign of hatred of the male enemy.

Before it was declared to be about sex, Clinton denied that there ever was sex or that a 52 year old Rhodes Scholar and law school graduate even knew what a sexual relationship was. Sex had to be rigidly defined in court. Under the tortuous definition, Clinton denied having a sexual relationship. Under the same definition, a description of his actions under later revelation absolutely qualified as sex.

It is argued that the Clinton matters concern consensual sex which if forgiven by Hillary are not the proper concern of outsiders. But dragging a strange woman into a hotel room and pushing a penis into her unwilling face is not consensual or within Hillary's province to either permit or forgive and declare to be dead-ended at that point. Hillary Clinton has no legitimate say in anything. The issue is the seriously and highly questionable mental state of someone characterized by a pattern of such activity. This was never about consensual sex or Monica Lewinsky or Hillary. It was, and is, about sanity. The primary issue is the mental condition of a man running for the presidency who more properly belongs in a psychiatric textbook.

I am not having an affair or sex with that woman means, not at this exact moment I am sitting in this chair. It doesn't mean he wasn't five minutes before, or won't be five minutes afterwards.

The arguments are simply not believable and defy the conventionally agreed upon meaning and use of language employed both in ordinary verbal discourse, in written form, or in court. We, and members of the judicial system, are asked to believe the Clintons don't understand that.

Clinton argues that his answers in court were legally correct. They were not legally, or in any other way, correct. His answers were improperly allowed in court by marginally competent opposing counsel with an incompetent corrupt judge who was Clinton's former student. Anywhere else those answers would be insulting and cause for legitimate indignation. That common standard should be just cause for their being viewed as perjury in a court of law.

We further find that FBI files are commandeered and disappear with no chain of custody, with arrogant resistance to any attempt at accountability or explanation of their use. We are asked to believe important papers regarding fraudulent business activities disappear or suddenly later partially reappear sitting openly on tables depending upon personal convenience.

Does anyone seriously believe the Clinton arguments and positions? Does anyone in his right mind believe Clinton's assertion that didn't know whether he was in a room alone with a woman when he put semen on her dress? Of course not. No sane person would in any circumstances. They are so absurd as to be little more than an insult, an expression of ridicule, and an arrogant expression of contempt toward the people to whom they are directed.

Yet, we are attempting to discuss and refute the Clinton assertions and arguments as though they were sincerely ventured, credible, and as if the assertions and people making them were amenable to logic or to moral/ethical persuasion. There is no honesty or sincerity to the Clinton arguments, or on the part of the people making them. The only and best refutation to the assertions is their own insanity. There is no more valid refutation possible. We are attempting to reason with a man who cynically and ostentatiously marches to church with a bible displayed under his arm on an Easter Sunday and returns to nearly immediate extramarital sexual liaisons, as if he were a person of serious integrity rather than someone without serious intent, morality, or ethics.

Why do we do it? We do it because it is the only remaining method of dealing with the Clintons who should be summarily dismissed and expelled, but like the inmates of Auschwitz who could not expel the SS, we have no power or leverage. So we persist in vain attempts at arguing the inarguable before psychopaths who not only do not care and who look upon the discourse with amused contempt and ridicule.

In treating their denial and arguments as rational, we have been reduced to the same level of insanity as the people making the arguments. We have validated and dignified insanity. What has evolved is a theater of the absurd in which what has been lost is basic contact with reality and sanity. We plead and grovel in vain attempts to get minute concessions of what obviously constitutes basic reality and sanity.

But Bill Clinton does not have a sex addiction problem. He does not engage in passionate attraction or sex in the ordinary erotic sense. He doesn't have love affairs in the erotic, romantic, or any other ordinary sense. If anything, he has a massive hostility problem just beneath the outer surface of his personality that is channeled into sexual symbolism within a pattern in which a vaguely sexual action becomes a vehicle for contempt and reducing others to a position of acknowledging his aloof superiority. The so-called affair with Lewinsky was not one of mutual eroticism. Much of it was spent with Lewinsky down on her knees in controlled submission before an emotionally detached superior Bill Clinton. In many of their episodes Clinton demonstrated his superiority by withholding ejaculation and masturbating into the sink adjacent to the Oval Office in an act of further emotional distance and contempt devoid of passion. The act of demanding Paula Jones kiss his penis was not an act of consensual eroticism or passion. Clinton's personality is more closely oriented in the direction paralleling the mentality of serial woman killer Ted Bundy who imposed the ultimate subjugation of death upon women. Certainly, if there were incidences of violence upon women somewhere in Clinton's background, it would not be surprising. However, Bill Clinton's brutality is more mentally destructive than physical. Women feel dead inside when he is through with them.

The Clinton mental profile extends well into areas that should legitimately alarm the broader society. Bill Clinton exhibits a wide spectrum of characteristics strongly diagnostic of very serious psychiatric disorder. It's not a matter of sex, but of chronic lying without inhibition or hesitation, lack of rational behavioral control, lack of insight, absence of remorse or conscience, feeling of special personal entitlement, shallowness of personal relationships, and absence of any sense of relative importance in personal priorities. Forty-five years ago before sociopathic narcissism and irresponsibility became interpreted as social liberation, Bill Clinton would have been written up in journals as a bizarre and extreme case history.

The Clintons show barely concealed contempt and ridicule for the people of this country. No one who respected me personally would lie to me in the bold fashion as the Cintons have. Both exhibit profound paranoia. When their obvious contempt, pathology, and malfeasance is observed, they attribute such observations to vast right wing conspiracies or other conspiratorial persecution. The Clintons conceive of themselves as persecuted victims of that entire portion of the world possessing personal character and mental health. They are on a paranoid crusade and the limits to which they will use violence to subjugate others to their paranoia is limited only to the extent they are temporarily immobilized or lacking in power. This is true of the political left in general. Anyone who is not blind, not psychotic, and has an IQ above 95 is considered is an intractably vicious enemy.

Over the years, the descriptive or diagnostic categories of mental dysfunction have been softened. Bill Clifton exhibits what was once called a psychopathic personality and megalomania in the form of delusions about his own superiority and specialness. Those delusions confer a contempt for other people conceived of by him as so far below him as to be expendable in their insignificance or inferiority. He furthermore believes his mental superiority is so great as to confer an infinite ability to manipulate other people, and he feels licensed to do so. Consequence, he exhibits a contemptuous attitude toward other people, toward law, toward reason, and toward any and all societal institutions which thwart his sense of his special significance. Beneath a mask of sanity the Clintons are psychotic and dangerous because they have no internal moral or rational limits governing their behavior or their intent. Activities such as deliberate misuse of FBI files easily fail to become a matter for serious introspection within their self-anointed imperial superiority.

The Clintons are dangerous. They, those around them, and their supporters, are the greatest threat to this country in its history. They are manipulative ice people bent on power and revenge. They are capable of rationalizing anything. They are capable of doing anything. Like many in their generation who have, and still have, an antipathy toward the country and toward rational self-discipline, they have an agenda.

The arguments defending the Clintons must necessarily be as psychotic as the behavior they are defending. Indeed, for the Clintons to survive, the Clintons and their defenders must pathologize the nation. No sane mind would accept the arguments being given. No sane country would accept the arguments being given.

Serious psychopathology is being given a very hard sell in the service of selling and defending Clinton. The Clinton defense has become progressively divorced from any structure of reason or reality. The most rational of refutations falls upon contemptuous and ridiculing ears.

Like the inmates of the Nazi concentration camps, we argue with the Clintons and the forces of liberalism as if they are amenable to rationality when they are not. The countercultural destructiveness they represent is not the result of intellectual oversight, but of deliberate intent. Attempts at reason are looked upon as a weakness that confer time and passivity that allows them to complete their task. That is what must be understood.

Reasoning with the Clintons, the Carvilles, the Dershewitzes et al will not make you free.

zolatimes.com