To: Ilaine who wrote (29454 ) 1/31/1999 12:03:00 AM From: E Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
Blue, I said explicitly that it contained sex! and also humor, and wit, and that it was funny, and that it wasn't mean or hurtful. "Bawdy" is what I might have called it. I certainly agree that nihil produced a little piece of written humor to "make a point, literarily, psychologically." Are you assuming, in saying to me, "I do find it hard to believe that you felt nothing sexual when you read the post. I certainly did," that my comments translated to you as a denial of the sexual component of nihil's scrap of bawdy writing? What I was asserting was that there was nothing ugly, mean, erotically evil, erotically threatening or unhinging or alarming or revolting or shocking or bad or ethically objectionable in that fragment, in this conversational forum (which is for adults, is most casual and far ranging, and is often characterized by a highly personal and informal sort of humorous, light, banter). I think , please correct me if I'm misunderstanding, that you are equating sexuality with prurience, and assuming that if I deny prurience I deny sexuality. I can state that I was not personally sexually aroused by it. I mean, it was about proving that Socrates was not a dog , by pointing out the ways in which he has never been reported to behave as does a male dog! It was an installment in an ongoing, and I thought generally amusing, group parody of a highflown philosophical discussion! I was amused by the conceit embodied in the exchange in general, and by nihil's literary descent from the parody-sublime to the utterly ridiculous. Incongruity is the essence of humor! It was incongruous, this comparison of the great Socrates to a male dog, as proof he was not one (!), and made an amusing point by its very incongruity. In so far it as could be experienced as 'prurient,' it was a joke part of the subject of which was incongruous 'prurience', wasn't it? Now this is a no win situation for me. If you explicate a joke, it becomes unfunny. A joke is gotten, or not. Same with what turns you on to any significant degree. It does, or it doesn't. There's no arguing about it. But my point is that whether it turned you on or not, whether you lol or not, it was... harmless. Not mean. A joke with literary intentions. It is preposterous to call it evil, I'm sure you agree with me about that, and agree that it is quite ugly, not to say evil, to revel in your bizarre conviction that the writer of that fragment of bawdy humor will get his agonizing and righteous comeuppance some day. BTW, after I saw your post here about nihil's story being different than a similar one he told you, I PM'd him and asked about it. (I haven't had a PMing relationship with him before this, but nothing ventured, nothing gained, I figured.) He explained to me why he had changed certain aspects of what happened to him for the public post. He had not felt it necessary to be as cautious or as discreet in privately PMing you. (I'm simplifying what he said, and trying not to invade his privacy.) I understood it completely. Give the guy a break, Blue!