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To: Graystone who wrote (29608)1/31/1999 11:20:00 AM
From: Edwarda  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Well, kiddo, I don't have a problem with FT. I think he overstates the power of the individual, but I find his thought processes more congenial than yours.

I say overstates the power because I agree that individual rights may require force to maintain them. However, those rights do not depend upon force for their existence. Enslaved people have the right to their freedom, even if the collective--or a part of it--fails to recognize it. In that sense their rights are bulletproof and exist without the acknowledgement.

How can one rely on a collective that so often exhibits the comprehension of a nest of wasps?

Yes, I do assume that the collective exists. I most emphatically do not concur that it takes precedence over the individual. We are not wasps.

Euclid made great leaps, but he did so within an established paradigm.

Quite correct.

The acceptance of his work by others made him a force, not the rightness of his contributions.

Nonsense! Utter blither. Today, we acknowledge that Galileo was spot on. Yet the man's individual greatness was there, regardless of the collective's acceptance. If the wasps can't understand physics or art, physics and art still exist.



To: Graystone who wrote (29608)1/31/1999 11:59:00 AM
From: Father Terrence  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
GrayBob:

1. I never claimed my rights are bulletproof -- YOU did. You set up your own straw man and proceed to attack it vociferously. Thus you reveal yourself to be one who a.) does not listen; b.) does not comprehend; c.) does not think rationally; d.) cannot argue effectively.

2. Thank you for comparing me to Aristotle! A very high compliment indeed!

FT