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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (31384)	2/1/1999 2:33:00 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 67261

I am on a roll, so I will next address the idea of republican virtue: 1.) Self- government requires the discipline of the citizenry, to prevent the wholesale descent into faction, or the absorption in private pleasures to the detriment of public duties; 2.) Furthermore, at least a modicum of decency is required to maintain the level of political judgment necessary to elect candidates for office, and to discern the qualities necessary to make a good leader; 3.) Finally, it is necessary to limit the matters that are the subject of political debate, or the polity will never get beyond debates on first principles, or will deteriorate into civil strife. Therefore, there must be a substantial consensus underpinning public life, shared values that are not continually the subject of debate; 4.) Therefore, it is necessary to instill the values of our culture in our children, at home and in school, and to encourage self- discipline as a virtue, rather than glorifying self- expression and the attitude of "whatever floats your boat", and to uphold our fundamental values and the virtue of self- discipline in all relevant forums.

To: Neocon who wrote (31384)	2/1/1999 1:09:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Neocon, I've spent some time here on "the partial birth story" before. I don't really want to go into it again, but in short, the terminology didn't even exist before the right to life people made it up. Then there was the story that the AMA's auditors came up with after the AMA's sudden change of heart on the issue. It's another one of these things where the "truth" is very much in the eyes of the beholder. If you want to frame the issue in the most inflammatory way possible, the PBA story is a good way to play politics. But of course, the "right to life" people would never, ever want to play politics, would they? Only Bill Clinton plays politics. I'm sure you were quite objective and detached in describing the issue to your grandmother.