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To: Ilaine who wrote (29900)	2/2/1999 11:16:00 AM
From: stumpy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

You sure can be a Georgia redneck and a Jew at the same time. You may not be able to join the local hate group, but you can do everything else that Georgia rednecks do (whatever that is). Haven't you heard of "Kinky Freidman and the Texas Jewboys" ? Just recently I returned from Chatanooga and a tour of the Moon Pie Factory. Chatnooga is close enough to Georgia anyway. Come to think of it, though, I didn't see a lot of Synagogues (sp). Actually I didn't see any. But I know for a fact there are redneck Jews, because I am (almost) one. And if I'm not one, then my brother is, because we saw "Life Is Beautiful" and he didn't understand it.

To: Ilaine who wrote (29900)	2/2/1999 11:44:00 AM
From: nihil	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Ah funny lady, So I can't be a redneck and a Jew? But my great-great grandfather was. Check out the Jews who served and died in the 23rd South Carolina Volunteers. My great-grandfather's regiment was the 21st. About the rabbi's trade you need approval -- and in America you put your hand on a rock and look up at the sky and say "I am a RABBI" but in Israel your conversions are not recognized and cannot return to Eretz Israel so what's the use of being a nonadmissable Jew? How can you be fair and Cherokee(welcome cousin) many of us who evaded the Army and stayed near Echota Georgia (despite the trail of tears and escape to the Smokies) back before the war held black slaves and interbred with them. True, my Korean beloved was alabaster white as if as a Kyoto lady she was powdered with rice starch which in her case would not rub off even though I tried rubbing frequently -- although like you they darken in the sun when they have to labor on the crops or spend too much time swimming at Waikiki. But they are mostly Mongol and Tungusic in origin, and have much melanin in their skins and can darken very dark. My Korean friends, old men and women, fried in the Hawaii sun, are burned the color sometimes almost of cordovan leather, but one girl I knew almost glared ghastly white nude under photographic floods. Chinese women? Mostly a warm, pleasant tan I think (grading into Viet color in the South, and Mongol in the North), not as dark as a largely European man's work-sunburned arms. She I loved used to hold her little arm up next my big one, and resting gently on it and even though I was two shades darker than she -- still sighed over and over tade pifu hen shen.(she has very dark skin!). Now for Persians -- there are none of them left you know. the Persians I speak of are those who swept down from the Aryan horde (who exclusively carried the blue eye gene (except for an Okinawan girl I knew who had (like the song) one blue eye (a remnant she said of Dutch sailors who used to spend half the year there -- apparently the left hand half) and intermixed with Medes and Babylonians and Mongols, and Greeks and Turks and other races that swept through and destroyed the ancient Achaemenid race -- renowned among the Greeks for their comeliness and civilization. True, you will hardly find among the Iranians today a single blue eye -- but Zoroaster? Kouros? Darius? Their cliff carvings don't hold color very well. But unmixed Aryans they originally were (as their language proves), and it is certain that they carried blue alleles. I'm so glad you know that Jesus's eyes were not blue, or that he and his mother were not blonde. Excuse me if I accept the evidence of my eyes and the Renaissance painters, perhaps superior in divine inspiration to yours. Perhaps when we recover DNA from the shroud of Turin we will be able to see what color eyes the wrappee had. I'll await the infallible declaration on faith of some Pope on what is going on there. But my bet is blue, if only that the blue-eyed Gauls, and Gallicans, and Teutons swarmed down where the shroud was laid. I'm sure you're right about the diamond trade. Nothing would let me trust one not of my blood and creed when handing around diamonds to be viewed Of course, Rhodes was hardly Jewish and controlled the total trade for many years. The Oppenheimers are not Hasidic. Amazing that such a restrictive orthodox trade will allow itself to be controlled by a secular Jewish firm. Ashkenazi Jews -- Many of them -- look blonde and and northern European like the Croats and Muslims in those ghastly Serb prison camps. Everyone remembers the man with the corrugated ribs. We do not know yet how all peoples are connected by cousinhood, but I am sure that in a few years every individual will be able if he dare to trace his ancestry back to to Africa. Wonder how many blue eyes were there! We know that we all came from Africa in many waves. We know some peoples struck boldly through already settled lands and headed for Tierra del Fuego and the Arctic and the Pacific Isles. We cannot know yet if Africans -- some of them quite brightly colored -- sailed to Brazil, and from there to the Marquesas or some other isles. The evidence of clay and roots is insufficient to decide. We'll have to build our family tree. I love your variety of blood -- that to me is what we're all about in this country. I know living in this wonder land of Hawaii that the beauty of the women is astounding. Every tinge of something different seems to enhance the mix. To see a blue-eyed blonde with a Japanese name and face is to be struck with wonder. Blonde part Japanese girls are wonderfully beautiful. And many of the unmixed Japanese dye their hair to add a touch of blonde. And the children of whites and polynesians -- the most beautiful people in the world, I think, although a touch of Chinese seems to help. Greg Louganises of all ages wandering on the beach each more beautiful than the other. This is no country for nobility of 64 quarters, or purebred Hohenstaufens, and yet there's a woman on the web in Ohio who has her genealogy tracing back to Charlemagne (search on Charlemagne). I am sure there are many bastards there -- a very desirable trait in a genealogy because it gives such wonderful opportunities to enrich one's lineage. Charlemagne (he's my ancestor too through the Scots kings) himself loved his daughters so extravagantly that he refused to marry them off, and they bred him a houseful of bastards from which spring most of the royalty, nobility, and other scum of Europe. My ancestry is all-American for 250 years including African-American (probably Yoruba) and Cherokee (and many others), and from there Scots, Cymry, Manx, Fries, Dansk, Saxon, Pfalz (and many other Deutsche states), Erse, Norse, Francais (Huguenot), English, Espanol, Portuguese, Vasco, and perhaps a lot more that I will discover when they finally get those gene tests in shape. I will not be shocked to discover that I am a counsin of any man or woman. I hope for Austronesian roots, or Hawaiian, or many, many more -- I sure there's some ancestral land scattered about the world that I deserve a piece of. I better get it pretty soon.

To: Ilaine who wrote (29900)	2/2/1999 12:23:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Interesting about your coloring- I am Choctaw, English and Irish- and when I was in China- with my dark very straight hair, and oval face- the Chinese sometimes thought I was part Chinese- partly I think that is because my nose, though broad by Western standards, does not have high relief- so I don't look as much like a big nose as other Westerners. My mother has a very flat nose, and looks totally Indian (feather - no dot)- the Chinese would like her even better. But when I tan I tan reddish brown- and look very Indian.