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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (31843)	2/3/1999 11:42:00 AM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Offhand, Neocon, I'd say you're getting into quite a "substantive debate" mode of exposition here. Did you check out my "substantive debate" with mrknowitall I pointed you to? In my sarcastic mode, I would say you're not germane, but never mind. I didn't say you were intentionally misleading, did I? I misread your statement originally, and had to correct myself. I also disagree with your response here, particularly: 1.) Censure is still favored, even after impeachment, not just as alternative to it, and even though no one expects conviction; Ok, we get into the impeachment/conviction thing. Do you think the "censure" opinion now is any different than the "censure" opinion before the House voted its articles? I'd say that a more straightforward reading is that 2/3 would have approved of some censure / move on option before the House impeached, and everything since then has had no effect on the general opinion of Clinton. I remember a WSJ article posted here claiming that House impeachment was the only proper form of "censure" the House could vote on, but of course that particular line got forgotten by the WSJ crowd after it happened. On the other hand, there are indications the impeachment process is making the Republicans look worse and worse as time goes on. I can't comment on the "gravity" issue without thinking of the now civil Bill Vaughn and his original lecture to me on Newt's "professional, non-partisan" handling of the Starr report and video dump. About 2/3 approve of Clinton's performance as President; about 2/3 don't want him removed. The numbers have been very consistent for a while, every so often somebody tries to read some break in them into some poll or other, but hearts and minds aren't being won one way or the other. If you think it's politically wise for the Republicans to continue to push this, that's you're right. Personally, I find the "it'll be forgotten in a month"/ "Democrats will have to live with this for 30 years" line quite confusing.