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To: E who wrote (29941)2/3/1999 2:16:00 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 108807
 
Yes- 3 months would have been SO much better.



To: E who wrote (29941)2/3/1999 5:39:00 PM
From: nihil  Respond to of 108807
 
E -- you have written a very valuable and moving discussion of a subject that rips us apart. You're perfectly correct -- the earlier the better, as long as the pregnant woman has wide, instantaneous access to treatment when she wishes it at no cost -- or very, very cheap. A woman who knew she would pass a deadline that forbade the procedure would have to decide -- but it must be her decision to act alone, no busybodies sueing, no parents or lovers whining -- I care not whether its 8 or 12 or 16 weeks -- she must have time to know (and ignorance should be grounds for an extension -- she should have access to advice (no forced brain-washing either way -- and when the decision is made -- that's it -- she moves ahead (I'd think of forced birth-control instruction or at least the offer should be made as after child-birth) In a coercive controlled environment, the attempt should be made to reduce the evil (over-pop and poor unwanted kids, and ruined opportunity for girls) without infringing liberty by annoying the subjects too much -- but the evils are bad enough that a little compulsory education does not seem out of place to me where it might reduce them).
Another point -- this is a sexist state, and men control decision making. To me, abortion seems an exclusively womanly concern. Men should voom out. I have been a father and grandfather and would have hated it unreservedly if the mother of any of these kids had aborted it. But I recognize their right absolutely. Unless a man take care of the fate of every of his sperm (and that's impossible) then he should have no care for one that by chance or individual vigor finds a fertile place to propagate. When a man voids his sperm -- in the vagina of his his wife, or mouth of lover or of whore, or handkerchief, or bedsheets, or handful of toilet paper in a public john, he loses natural title by abandonment.
His parenthood of his offspring comes from his marriage (parenthood presumed nonconclusively), or his formal or informal acknowledgement of his bastards -- not from any "ownership" or natural title.