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To: StockDung who wrote (7)2/9/1999 11:56:00 PM
From: Sir Auric Goldfinger  Respond to of 30
 
The person menitoned is NOT the CEO of MLRE? RU sure? It looks like his twin bro to me....



To: StockDung who wrote (7)2/10/1999 12:58:00 AM
From: HairBall  Respond to of 30
 
flodyie: Very interesting header. It made me stop and think...thanks! I have not used an online auction site, but my brother has. I will tell him your story...<g>

Regards,
LG



To: StockDung who wrote (7)2/10/1999 10:13:00 AM
From: StockDung  Respond to of 30
 
Fraud threatens auction sites
By Paul Festa
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
November 4, 1998, 4:00 a.m. PT
Online auctioneers smell a rat.

Individuals who sell items over online auction sites like eBay and AuctionUniverse suspect that their bidding sessions are being artificially manipulated by phantom buyers known as "shielders" and "shills"--and that the auction sites are not doing all they can to discourage the fraud.

Auction site users commonly use the term "shilling" to refer to both shilling and shielding. According to eBay's definitions, shill bidding describes the practice of colluding with someone else, or creating a false online persona, to drive up bidding prices on behalf of the seller.

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Bid shielding happens when the buyer and a partner offer high prices that discourage others from participating in the auction. When the auction is near its conclusion, the shielder withdraws the high bid, allowing the partner to take the item at a lower price.

The practices are of deep concern to all auction sites, where even the perception of fraud can have a debilitating effect, just as anxiety over the safety of online transactions has stunted the growth of electronic commerce.

"Every single honest merchant on the Web is gravely invested in countering as much fraud as possible," said Maria LaTour Kadison, senior analyst for online retail strategies at Forrester Research. "The worst thing for everyone selling online is being associated with some kind of fraud. The actual instances are minimal, but the perception is big. And perception rules."

Although the phenomenon is suspected throughout the online auction business, much attention is focused on eBay because it is widely viewed as the industry leader. Users have expressed concern that the publicly traded company does not act forcefully enough to combat fraud. AuctionWatch participants describe instances in which they have reported shielders and shills whom eBay has failed to suspend.

On eBay's own discussion boards, as well as at those of watchdog site AuctionWatch, fraud complaints abound. The most active discussion thread on AuctionWatch concerns shilling and shielding and provides anecdotal evidence of the practice.

"The situation at eBay is horrible," said Cari Thompson, the thread's moderator and an eBay user for a year-and-a-half. "If there was another site that had the user base of eBay where we could get the sales we wanted, eBay would be abandoned. We're the ones feeling abandoned right now."

Thompson and other users criticize the company's recent relaxation of its penalties for shielding and shilling. Until recently, the site would suspend a user on the first offense. But now the policy is to warn the user on the first offense and suspend on the second. However, eBay reserves the right to suspend on the first offense.

"At first our philosophy was to shoot first and ask questions later," said Keith Antognini, senior manager of customer support at eBay. "But in many cases we were shutting down accounts of people that were legitimately using eBay."

Antognini pointed out that eBay has a team of 24 people dedicated to investigating complaints of shielding or shilling. A separate group of three employees is devoted to cases in which users do not receive goods for which they have paid and to the sale of illegal goods, such as pirated software.

Other online auction sites have taken similar measures to combat fraud. Yahoo Auctions, an advertising-supported site launched on September 14 and powered by Onsale, has a team dedicated to weeding out shill bidders and other swindlers.

"No one can really avoid having that today," said Susan Carls, senior producer of Yahoo Auctions. "We can blacklist both sellers and bidders. Our idea is that sellers shouldn't have to distinguish between good and bad bidders. Yahoo is going to weed them out."

Carls said the number of dishonest bidders her team has uncovered in the six weeks since the site launched has been relatively small. The biggest problem the site has had to combat so far, she said, is spammers, as the site has removed thousands of unsolicited advertisements.

While policing auction sites is largely a matter of case-by-case dispute-resolution, there are some ways that technology can help, according to Craig Froelich, director of auction site software provider WebVision.

"If you have someone committing any kind of fraud, you put them on a blacklist," Froelich said. "Included on that blacklist is everything you know about the user--user name, real name, shipping address, fax number, phone number, email address--because if someone is trying to deliberately place a bad bid, a lot of the information is going to be bogus. You have to build your systems around the blacklist, so that when the user re-registers, the system checks against the blacklist and shuts them out on any one of those criteria."

Froelich said that there was nothing new or uncommon about maintaining such a list. "But it's not something a lot of companies have really thought about," he added.




To: StockDung who wrote (7)2/10/1999 10:24:00 AM
From: StockDung  Respond to of 30
 
National Consumers League's Internet Fraud Watch
Online Auction Tips
Understand how the auction works. Many online auctions simply list items that people want to sell. They don't verify if the merchandise actually exists or is described accurately.

Check out the seller. Contact the state or local consumer protection agency and Better Business Bureau where you live and also where the company is located. Look at the auction site's feedback section for comments. Be aware that glowing reports could be “planted” by the seller, and that a clean complaint record doesn't guarantee that someone is legitimate.

Be especially careful if the seller is a private individual. Most consumer protection laws and government agencies that enforce them don't deal with private sales, so if you have a problem, it could be impossible to resolve.

Get a physical address and other identifying information. You'll need the seller's name, street address and telephone number to check them out or follow up if there is a problem. Don't do business with sellers who won't provide that information.

Ask about delivery, returns, warranties and service. Get a definite delivery time and insist that the shipment is insured. Ask about the return policy. If you're buying electronic goods or appliances, find out if there is a warranty and how to get service.

Be wary of claims about collectibles. Since you can't examine the item or have it appraised until after the sale, you can't assume that claims made about it are valid. Insist on getting a written statement describ-ing the item and its value before you pay.

Use common sense to guide you. Ask yourself: Is what the seller promises realistic? Is this the best way to buy this item? What is the most I am willing to bid for it?

Pay the safest way. Requesting cash is a clear sign of fraud. If possible, pay by credit card because you can dispute the charges if the goods are misrepresented or never arrive. Or use an escrow agent, who acts as a go-between to receive the merchandise and forward your payment to the seller. Another option is cash on deli-very. Pay by check made out to the seller, not the post office, so you can stop payment if necessary.

Let the auction site know if you have a problem. Some auction sites investigate problems and abuses. They may also want to know about sellers who don't deliver or misrepresent their wares. A bad record may result in a seller being barred from using the site again.

Source: Internet Fraud Watch

For more information, write or call the National Consumers League at 1701 K Street, N.W., Suite 1200, Washington, D.C. 20006, (202) 835-3323.

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The National Consumers League, founded in 1899, is America's pioneer consumer organization. NCL's three-pronged approach of research, education and advocacy has made it an effective representative and source of information for consumers and workers. NCL is a private, nonprofit membership organization dedicated to representing consumers on issues of concern.