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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (24191)2/11/1999 8:57:00 PM
From: DLL  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 39621
 
<<Bottom line is a Jew can accept Yeshua and still practice as a Jew. They do not have to throw away their culture and who they are. >>

Amen to that! I must also add that it is redundant to call a Messianic Jew a Christian and it is completely unnecessary. The term Messianic means like Messiah, Christian means like Christ. Yeshua loved his Jewish culture and as a Gentile believer it is a privilege to worship God in a Jewish context.

Praise God that people from every culture will learn about and love the Jewish Messiah, even Gentile Americans.

Shalom uv'rachah b'Yeshua HaMashiach - Peace and blessings in Messiah Yeshua - DLL



To: Alan Markoff who wrote (24191)2/11/1999 9:13:00 PM
From: PROLIFE  Respond to of 39621
 
OK I see what you were saying.

dan



To: Alan Markoff who wrote (24191)2/11/1999 9:44:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Respond to of 39621
 
"Bottom line is a Jew can accept Yeshua and still practice as a Jew. They do not have to throw away their culture and who they are. That goes for any race or culture..........."

Perhaps you could explain to us how a Jew who has accepted Jesus goes about celebrating the following central aspect of Jewish culture.

Here are a few gems from the most holy book of JEWISH CULTURE

CITATIONS FROM THE JEWISH "HOLY BOOK" THE BABYLONIAN TALMUD:

Does a Jewish convert who continues to practice Jewish culture have to go out and lie to non-Jews to fully practice this part of their culture?

1.) Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

This part of Jewish culture must be very difficult to hold to.
2.)Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.

Do Jewish converts have to actually destroy a few Christian books to celebrate this part of their Jewish culture?
3.)Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.

Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).

Jewish converts must find this Talmudic doctrine difficult to reconcile with the Gospels and Christian teachings?
Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human 4.)("Only ye are designated men"). Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").

It must be very difficult for Jewish converts to fully celebrate their Jewish Talmudic heritage and still hold to the New Testament teachings?

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus mother was a whore: "She who was the
descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that
Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
"Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?-He replied: It is not actually stated but
since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

Says Jesus was a Sorcerer Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Horrible Blasphemy of Our Lord Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled "hot excrement".

Sanhedrin 90a . Those who read the New Testament (uncanonical books, see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
Sick and Insane Teachings Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.

Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
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All Jews who converted to Jesus throughout the last two thousand years repudiated antichrist Talmudic Judaism and joined themselves to the Body of Christ---the Christian Church.
This novelty or heretical doctrine that encourages Jews to keep one foot in antichrist Judaism and one foot in the Body of Christ is not of God. You cannot worship God and Baal at the same time. Modern Judaism has fought against Christ and his Church for the last two thousand years. The central theme of modern antichrist Judaism has always been a hatred and rejection of Jesus Christ and the Church.
To encourage newly converted Jewish Christian to continue in the evil of modern talmudic Judaism is a horrible evil.



To: Alan Markoff who wrote (24191)2/11/1999 9:56:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
"They do not have to throw away their culture and who they are. That goes for any race or culture........... "

Modern Jewish culture is a satanic culture because it is based upon the rejection and hatred of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Modern Judaism is not the Temple Judaism of the Old Testament but rather a false Judaism that was invented by the rabbinical leaders who rejected Jesus Christ--the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

For the last two thousand years this new Judaism has gone about the world teaching and encouraging hatred against Jesus and his Christian Church. For 2000 years these false antichrist Jews have tried to turn the world against Jesus and the teachings of his Jewish Apostles. They have convinced a large part of modern Christians that they are the legitimate heirs to the promises of Abraham rather than the Christian people. The Holy Spirit clearly tells us in the New Coveannt (The New Teatament) that all the promises of Abaraham belong to Christians.

Modern Judaism has been the most evil culture on the face of the earth for the last two thousand years. They have opposed and defied the God of the Bible which is Jesus Christ. When a convert from this culture accepts Jesus he must repudiate the evil in this culture. Every aspect of this culture that is against Christ must be repudiated.

Every pagan culture that accepted Jesus repudiated their false pagan pracatices. The English, Franks, Irish, Germans, Russians, Romans, Greeks etc. Why should antichrist modern Jewish culture be kept and cultivated? How can darkness and light exist in the same space.
Modern Talmudic Jewish culture is the mother of all antichrist cultures. Modern antichrist Jewish culture originated hatred and opposition to Jesus. Modern Jewish culture used the false cover that they are the heirs to the Old TEstament Judaism. They are not. They are the heirs of baal and haters of Jesus and God.

Emile