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To: long-gone who wrote (28104)	2/12/1999 5:43:00 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116836

Is this not the same thing that damned many Nazis during trials at end of WW II? "Following orders" is a poor reason for murder. Well it sure seemed good enough for those GIs at My Lai, where Lt. Kelly issued an illegal order and it was obeyed. But I agree that Horiuchi should have questioned the ROEs a little closer. However, Weaver had plenty of opportunities to surrender under great media attention (which guaranteed him a measure of personal security, despite the death of his wife and child). He should have surrendered. There are also numerous instances where GIs killed and tortured enemy prisoners during various conflicts. Events as terrible and gruesome to Germans as the Malmedy Massacre was to Americans. What about the German U-boat sailors who were interrorgated, tortured, and hung for killing one of their shipmates they discovered was spying for their US captors in a prisoner of war came in Papago, AZ (now the AZ NG headquater)? Would any of our "boys" have acted any differently were they to dicover a traitor in their ranks? Did that justify their torture and latter execution?? Yeah.. we have a few dirty secrets of our own. And some of the Japanese consider the firebombings of Tokyo, and the nuclear bombings of Nagasaki/Hiroshima as war crimes. Ask the Germans how they felt about the fire bombings of Dresden and Hamburg. But you know what? War is a terrible thing. People kill one another in terrible ways and they find themselves acting little better than pit bulls savagely fighting to the death. And and more interesting is that winners can always justify their "crimes" against civilians while condemning those of the defeated foe. Crime is another terrible thing. Exactly why was Randy Weaver sawing shotgun barrels in the first place to legal length or otherwise?? And Randy Weaver was(is?) a white separatist who did have contacts with the Aryan Nations (who sought to recruit him). Why were the Branch Davidians storing so many weapons (some made automatic illegally) when Koresh was proclaiming to be Jesus Christ? These guys had a very large arsenal and were engaged in the selling of weapons. Now that may not be illegal, but it certainly makes you want to keep an eye on them since the majority of Americans don't engage in similar activities. But then again, y'all think we should ignore these people and not pay them any attention until someone gets killed or robbed. However, you also forget that Koresh also was planning to force a showdown with the Feds eventually as part of his theological self-defined destiny. Had the Feds not engaged him first (irrationally and stupidly I might add), he may have provoked a stand off with innocents getting killed in the process, ala Jim Jones and Guyana. Who knows? But what happened, happened. And the lesson to be learned is not to repeat such foolish and arrogant mistakes, yet still keep tabs on potentially agressive criminal activities. Crime is also a war, lest you forget. Regards, Ron