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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill who wrote (33911)	2/12/1999 11:09:00 PM
From: Raybert	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 67261

Hi everyone, I want to take a minute to thank all of you before you go on your way. I've been lurking this board off and on for several months, sometimes reading every post for weeks, and sometimes missing entire weeks completely. I've often thought about participating but I found the conversation, like our national debate, too polarized. I'm a social liberal by an older definition, and a fiscal conservative. I've learned that you don't ask a child what they want to wear, you ask them if they want the Barney shirt or the Teletubbies shirt, and I often feel that our two party system gives us the same kind of treatment. But enough about that. I want thank all of you for being such well read news hounds. My distaste for the press, and the pandering and propaganda that they spew, has grown so immesurably during this past year that I began to read this thread for my impeachment coverage. The web links to your sources, the always biased but well reasoned analysis, and the depth of your searches far surpassed the swill that was available on the TV. The only way TV could surpass you would have been a series with Rush and Geraldo on the Jerry Springer show. Again, thank you. I think Clinton was guilty on both counts and believe every sane person who saw the evidence knows it as well. the difference being that he truly had a jury of his peers. They are primarily lawyers (nuf said) and all politicians (see prev). I wonder at the precident this sets at as it filters down to the local level. For example, two recent local trials here in central Pennsylvania; one involved a retired professor who was busted for possesion of marijuana during his regular Thursday smoke-in for the repeal of marijuana laws. Another involved a student riot one Saturday night last summer. Will future juries feel more freedom to treat the defendant as they see fit regardless of the rule of law? Will the legal establishment let them? The future of this will be interesting. Anyway, I would be remiss if I didn't close this with a mention of PA's own 'hoser of the day', Arlen Specter. Happy 69th, and congrats on the perfect bookend to a truly unique career. After achieving notoriety with the 'Magic bullet' theory that convieniently closed out the Warren Commission, he comes up with "Not proven" on this one. I do want to thank him for not trying to explain the spot on the blue dress, but I believe history would be better served if he had put the 'Not proven' on the Warren Commission report, and found a 'Magic bullet' for Clinton. Thanks, and have a good night.

To: Bill who wrote (33911)	2/13/1999 1:24:00 AM
From: Johnathan C. Doe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Well Bill; they didn't want Gore in, but they ended up shooting themselves repeatedly; the foot, the butt, the head. They have screwed themselves royal with this whole thing. There were a lot of stupid idiots that were all for this hate Clinton effort and yet a lot of these people are Rush Limbaugh working class uneducated types that aren't going to process this as some sort of good effort made by the Republican's. They are disgusted that they didn't win this and they blame the Republican's for bailing out in the Senate during the final vote. You won't see any of these people at the polls in 2000; you didn't see them much in '96. The far right has already been disgusted with the Republican's. The Republican's can't please that group either. The swing voters, Reagan Democrats; all gone. The Republican Party is one sorry state of affairs. What issues are they going to be able to push in 2000 that anyone is going to rally behind? The Republican Revolution is dead as a door nail. So they can run as the Pro Life, NRA loving, anti-gay, pro tax cut, HMO loving, Smoker's Party and who is going to get all worked up for that. Anyone they attract with this set of issue; they turn off and lose 3 for every one gained.

To: Bill who wrote (33911)	2/13/1999 6:48:00 AM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<<But seriously, a not guilty vote means only that they didn't want Gore installed tomorrow. It has little to do with facts, more to do with removal. A censure can be voted for any conduct including that which has not been voted in the House. At least a censure would validate the House impeachment.>> Good point. I feel we have a flaw in our Constitution that has popped up. Instead of having the vote reflect both the guilt or innocence and the punishment it should have been done in two parts like most trials. First vote on guilt or innocence and then vote whether to censure or oust. Water under the bridge in this case now.